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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 23 2014 06:06 iCanada wrote: Fuck this random Soloqueue pick thing... 8th game in a row where I last pick. Rito pls. Dis jungler can't lane, get shit on all day long. -.- Even saintvicious can win games in challenger as adc. Just saying... | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 23 2014 06:23 wei2coolman wrote: Even saintvicious can win games in challenger as adc. Just saying... That 85% Lucian win rate | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Saint doesn't have the opportunity to miss smites when he's ADC. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 23 2014 06:33 obesechicken13 wrote: That's not fair... Saint doesn't have the opportunity to miss smites when he's ADC. Even theoddone can play ziggs | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
ziggs does have a general skin though | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 23 2014 06:23 wei2coolman wrote: Even saintvicious can win games in challenger as adc. Just saying... We can't all be as mechanically skilled as saint. Come on. Only ever play ranked fives, havn't been a laner is so long. -.- I actually won my lane a couple times. Just not sure how to impact the game from in lane. Maybe I just lose focus of objectives or something, i dunno. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:31 nafta wrote: How do they not waste their burst?It is a fucking ~300 shield.That is one or two abilities at most.How exactly do you have to use it?You don't have to use it unless shit is gonna hit you.You have disproven nothing wtf are you even trying to argue. Iam arguing that the duration on barrier matters. your not making much sense here. 1-2 abilities is ofc wasting someones burst. In a reasonable situation every ability counts. "You don't have to use it unless shit is gonna hit you" is wrong. You should use it when you would die otherwise. Sometimes you have to use it and people can for example juke you for a second (brush), get out of your range and similar stuff so they dont get attacked and dont waste an ability this matters alot, especially during laneing and midgame skirmishes. This is why heal ist almost allways better except if you are ignited: you just get the health forever, while with barrier you only get the health if the damage occurs. if the attack can be delayed/interrupted then you only buy time. in a very asymetric situation where the attacker just blasts through barrier anyways he would do the exact thing against heal. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
That match-up is so disgusting. The Kassadin I was playing against was utter trash (he barely lived twice under 30 HP by sheer luck) and I still couldn't do much pre-6 because of it. Then it's Kassadin so it doesn't matter. Also EUW full of shit this evening. Spells not casting, others going through full minions waves dealing no damage (edit: works on champions too, thx based EUW)... yeah, I shouldn't have launched the game I guess. Multiple people have been complaining about lag. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:33 TheHumanSensation wrote: Does anyone play Varus anymore? The champion thread is pretty outdated as well as "under construction", so I thought I'd ask here. I'm having an alright time laning, but teamfights feel very weird with his auto-attack, I'm messing up my kiting a lot and it's pretty important for his survival. Aside from general teamfight advice, I have a few questions. If I'm kiting away from someone, and I autox3 -> E -> autox3 should I use a quick Q to proc the W stacks, or is the MS reduction too significant to make it worth it? Assuming that the proc won't kill the target or anything of course. Most guides I've googled recommend fairly standard AD carry itemization, but I vaguely remember that Varus often had weird itemization? I don't remember this all that well, so if someone could comment of this I'd appreciate it. Yeah, I'm hoping to finish that on Tuesday, but I might get to it on tomorrow. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I guess Riot does not want to show it because probably being last pick has very low win rate conpared to first pick hahaha. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Guaranteed there's a significant effect in bronze, silver, and gold, though. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 23 2014 09:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I think that effect happens less and less the higher you get, especially now that support is a contested position. Guaranteed there's a significant effect in bronze, silver, and gold, though. Its still annoying even in Plat (and higher I'm sure) to not be able to play the position you are best at and most comfortable with. I know pretty much guaranteed if I am not jungling (well, I'm okay at support too I think...) I'm probably going to be a passenger in the game. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
It only felt bad because I am bad at playing her. Flash DFG RQW feels really had for me (unlike DFG EQWR for Katarina, I actually need to aim Annie's spells) and my laning phase was too passive. In any case, time to practice her more often. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote: Playing Viktor against Kassadin feels dumb as shit. His Q has more range, instant shield instead of delayed, and he has higher base MS so he gives no fuck about you waiting out his shield. That match-up is so disgusting. The Kassadin I was playing against was utter trash (he barely lived twice under 30 HP by sheer luck) and I still couldn't do much pre-6 because of it. Then it's Kassadin so it doesn't matter. Also EUW full of shit this evening. Spells not casting, others going through full minions waves dealing no damage (edit: works on champions too, thx based EUW)... yeah, I shouldn't have launched the game I guess. Multiple people have been complaining about lag. It wasn't much better before the silence removal, but at least you did damage On June 23 2014 08:53 Sufficiency wrote: I wish there was a way to find the pick order from my data... I guess Riot does not want to show it because probably being last pick has very low win rate conpared to first pick hahaha. It can't. Every game there is a last pick on both sides. Win rates by pick must be precisely equal to 50%. If you consider blick side pick 5 as different than purple side pick 5 then every blue side pick will have a win rate precisely equal to the blue side win advantage and vice versa There must be a perfect correlation between blue side winning and the blue side pick orders winning for obvious reasons. It may be the case that some individuals lose more at lower picks, but it cannot be the case that all individuals lose more at lower picks so your data will only be good for analyzing the weaknesses of individual players. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 23 2014 13:02 Goumindong wrote: It wasn't much better before the silence removal, but at least you did damage It can't. Every game there is a last pick on both sides. Win rates by pick must be precisely equal to 50%. If you consider blick side pick 5 as different than purple side pick 5 then every blue side pick will have a win rate precisely equal to the blue side win advantage and vice versa There must be a perfect correlation between blue side winning and the blue side pick orders winning for obvious reasons. It may be the case that some individuals lose more at lower picks, but it cannot be the case that all individuals lose more at lower picks so your data will only be good for analyzing the weaknesses of individual players. Imagine the game has only two players on each side. Each time you play FP you win; each time you play LP you lose. You have 50% chance of being FP. Other players do not always win on FP. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 23 2014 13:38 Sufficiency wrote: Imagine the game has only two players on each side. Each time you play FP you win; each time you play LP you lose. You have 50% chance of being FP. Other players do not always win on FP. So there are two ways to talk about first picks. 1) purple side and blue side each get a first pick. They are the same stat 2) only blue side gets a first pick. Purple side gets second pick and so on In situation 1 the win rate of first pick must be 50%. In situation two the win rate of first pick must be equal to the win rate of blue side. The win rate of fourth pick (blues second pick) must also be equal to the win rate of he side. The win rate of every pick on blue side must be equal to the win rate on blue side. There are no exceptions in aggregate data, only individuals can have variance in their pick conditional win rate (and the weighted sum of those must be the aggregate side win rate). I am amazed that this is not intuitively obvious to you. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
When I talk about FP LP I am talking about them within the team. So if you are blue, 4th 5th are LP. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 23 2014 13:57 Sufficiency wrote: Obviously it is the individual variance that matters. Not sure why you talk about blue/purple. When I talk about FP LP I am talking about them within the team. So if you are blue, 4th 5th are LP. So why do you care if some people are better at last pick than other people? Why would riot try to hide that? It doesn't make sense unless you're saying that people in general are better/worse at last pick, which literally cannot be true. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 23 2014 13:57 Sufficiency wrote: Obviously it is the individual variance that matters. Not sure why you talk about blue/purple. When I talk about FP LP I am talking about them within the team. So if you are blue, 4th 5th are LP. But do you get what he's saying though? Like the only way to do this for an individual would be to track your own personal data or record someone else's. If we're talking about "general win % by pick #" it would just be equal to blue side's winrate or purple side's winrate. Like, the last pick on that team wins the exact same number of games as the first pick does because they win and lose as a team. | ||
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