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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 23 2014 05:16 GMT
#861
I know nothing about statistics, but I don't see how any pick could possibly have a higher or lower win rate than any other. Amongst individuals, sure. But as a whole?
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
June 23 2014 06:53 GMT
#862
Can't riot implement different types of pick orders, random blue/purple side, and/or the possibility of having the same champion on both sides in competitive play? Like you'll play a Bo3, but each team gets to pick the other side's pick/ban order, and in the case where two people are picking at the same time, it'll just be a blind pick?
im deaf
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
June 23 2014 07:00 GMT
#863
So what do you guys build on Lucian after those BT changes? Do you still go for BT? Because recently I've been trying BT/Ghostblade/TF build and it's working pretty good.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 07:27:01
June 23 2014 07:07 GMT
#864
Watching DL's stream right now. Interesting, first item BotRK on Lucian, despite no one being spectacularly tanky on enemy team. I think he finds IE timing probably rougher than he initially thought, and that BT is such gimped pos, that BotRK only good starting item. (Triforce timing too late comparatively to IE I'm guessing, as well?).

edit: this next game he's cait, going IE first. weird,i wonder what his reasoning is.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 23 2014 07:09 GMT
#865
I just had a game where the enemy Morg went Mejai's in lane, so I had to teach her a lesson by getting 18 stacks on my own Mejai's as Thresh. 700 dmg The Box goes hard in the paint.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 07:17:04
June 23 2014 07:16 GMT
#866
As a jungler Thresh almost always outdamages me if the game goes late. Vi's single-target, and Thresh with a good box is pretty much assured 2k+ magic damage to champs (before mitigation) thanks to the base damage and the AP from his passive. Shit's cray cray.

On June 23 2014 13:02 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:
Playing Viktor against Kassadin feels dumb as shit. His Q has more range, instant shield instead of delayed, and he has higher base MS so he gives no fuck about you waiting out his shield.
That match-up is so disgusting. The Kassadin I was playing against was utter trash (he barely lived twice under 30 HP by sheer luck) and I still couldn't do much pre-6 because of it. Then it's Kassadin so it doesn't matter.

Also EUW full of shit this evening. Spells not casting, others going through full minions waves dealing no damage (edit: works on champions too, thx based EUW)... yeah, I shouldn't have launched the game I guess. Multiple people have been complaining about lag.


It wasn't much better before the silence removal, but at least you did damage

I peeked at his patch notes to make sure what had changed since, but it looks like the wiki didn't keep the pre-s4 ones. Weird. That's the 2nd champ I see it happen now, I should check if it's policy or if someone's butchering the history.
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ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 07:21:12
June 23 2014 07:18 GMT
#867
tanky bruiser kassadin top:

8.5 ad, 28 armor runes
whatever you feel like for masteries


cloth 5(come to lane with 69 armor)-->tear-->glacial-->iceborn-->vamp-->tiamat-->hydra-->frozenheart-->muramana(finish earlier, right when you charge tear).

IBG+FrozenHeart+Muramana core + any lifesteal item just feels so fucking good and you have ~260 armor, 3.3k mana. maybe run scaling MR blues and MR masteries vs a more diversified team, but I had so much fun vs an all AD team just now.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
June 23 2014 07:24 GMT
#868
And I found out that EVERY SINGLE TIME I pick support other lanes goes feed frenzy. I mean, we almost always get really good bot lane but top/mid proceed to feed hardcore and therefore make us lose the game.

Also any tips for playing Thresh? I'm a pretty decent support in any champ except Thresh. I mean, I love her kit, I can land hooks and flay dashing people but I lose a lot. I'm like 2-11 with Thresh this season and this is unacceptable.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 23 2014 07:43 GMT
#869
On June 23 2014 16:24 739 wrote:
And I found out that EVERY SINGLE TIME I pick support other lanes goes feed frenzy. I mean, we almost always get really good bot lane but top/mid proceed to feed hardcore and therefore make us lose the game.

Also any tips for playing Thresh? I'm a pretty decent support in any champ except Thresh. I mean, I love her kit, I can land hooks and flay dashing people but I lose a lot. I'm like 2-11 with Thresh this season and this is unacceptable.

Land hooks, win games. Also, auto attack during laning. The fucker pokes way harder than his kit should allow.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
June 23 2014 07:52 GMT
#870
On June 23 2014 16:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching DL's stream right now. Interesting, first item BotRK on Lucian, despite no one being spectacularly tanky on enemy team. I think he finds IE timing probably rougher than he initially thought, and that BT is such gimped pos, that BotRK only good starting item. (Triforce timing too late comparatively to IE I'm guessing, as well?).

edit: this next game he's cait, going IE first. weird,i wonder what his reasoning is.


My guess is that champions with strong base scaling (Caitlyn, Lucian, Varus, some others) benefit more from IE first than BotRK, which is meant more-so for champions with not as high scaling and are more AA reliant on doing their damage.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 23 2014 07:54 GMT
#871
watching phreak's stream, he's giving out dating advice. this is awesome.
liftlift > tsm
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 23 2014 08:00 GMT
#872
On June 23 2014 16:24 739 wrote:
And I found out that EVERY SINGLE TIME I pick support other lanes goes feed frenzy. I mean, we almost always get really good bot lane but top/mid proceed to feed hardcore and therefore make us lose the game.

Also any tips for playing Thresh? I'm a pretty decent support in any champ except Thresh. I mean, I love her kit, I can land hooks and flay dashing people but I lose a lot. I'm like 2-11 with Thresh this season and this is unacceptable.


Flay is the only spell in this game that I don't smartcast, and I smartcast Viktor E/Rumble Ult/Veigar stun. I just can't fucking do it. Recommend you at least give it a try if you're smartcasting it now.

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Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
June 23 2014 08:28 GMT
#873
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 23 2014 08:48 GMT
#874
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 08:52:17
June 23 2014 08:51 GMT
#875
On June 23 2014 17:28 Steelavocado wrote:
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you

what? twitch benefited the most from this patch out of all the adc's. His build got buffed overall, the only change with this patch is you can't over push your lane without getting punished. (which you really shouldn't be doing in the first place with any ADC). His damage is unchanged (actually buffed with item changes)
He hits his 1 item timing faster and harder compared to IE rushed ADC's now, and his 2 item outscales most, and hits his 2 item timing earlier than any other adc.
On June 23 2014 17:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.

I don't think anyone is surprised Braum's passive is pretty good.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
June 23 2014 09:02 GMT
#876
On June 23 2014 17:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 17:28 Steelavocado wrote:
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you

what? twitch benefited the most from this patch out of all the adc's. His build got buffed overall, the only change with this patch is you can't over push your lane without getting punished. (which you really shouldn't be doing in the first place with any ADC). His damage is unchanged (actually buffed with item changes)
He hits his 1 item timing faster and harder compared to IE rushed ADC's now, and his 2 item outscales most, and hits his 2 item timing earlier than any other adc.
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 17:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.

I don't think anyone is surprised Braum's passive is pretty good.

I think a few people here were doubting it.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 23 2014 09:04 GMT
#877
On June 23 2014 17:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 17:28 Steelavocado wrote:
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you

what? twitch benefited the most from this patch out of all the adc's. His build got buffed overall, the only change with this patch is you can't over push your lane without getting punished. (which you really shouldn't be doing in the first place with any ADC). His damage is unchanged (actually buffed with item changes)
He hits his 1 item timing faster and harder compared to IE rushed ADC's now, and his 2 item outscales most, and hits his 2 item timing earlier than any other adc.
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 17:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.

I don't think anyone is surprised Braum's passive is pretty good.


Lots of people were saying he was going to be terrible.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 23 2014 09:19 GMT
#878
yeah new skarner is definitely going to get toned down, he's just ridiculously strong
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 23 2014 09:24 GMT
#879
On June 23 2014 18:04 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 17:51 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 23 2014 17:28 Steelavocado wrote:
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you

what? twitch benefited the most from this patch out of all the adc's. His build got buffed overall, the only change with this patch is you can't over push your lane without getting punished. (which you really shouldn't be doing in the first place with any ADC). His damage is unchanged (actually buffed with item changes)
He hits his 1 item timing faster and harder compared to IE rushed ADC's now, and his 2 item outscales most, and hits his 2 item timing earlier than any other adc.
On June 23 2014 17:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.

I don't think anyone is surprised Braum's passive is pretty good.


Lots of people were saying he was going to be terrible.

Was there? I just thought it was funny Scip wrote this entire fucking guide for Skarner, then BAM. 2 days later, Skarner rework. rofl.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 23 2014 09:34 GMT
#880
On June 23 2014 18:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 18:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 23 2014 17:51 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 23 2014 17:28 Steelavocado wrote:
lol twitch nerfs peace guys it was nice knowing you

what? twitch benefited the most from this patch out of all the adc's. His build got buffed overall, the only change with this patch is you can't over push your lane without getting punished. (which you really shouldn't be doing in the first place with any ADC). His damage is unchanged (actually buffed with item changes)
He hits his 1 item timing faster and harder compared to IE rushed ADC's now, and his 2 item outscales most, and hits his 2 item timing earlier than any other adc.
On June 23 2014 17:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Since the buffs, Skarner's up to like a 53%+ win rate. Pretty crazy.

I don't think anyone is surprised Braum's passive is pretty good.


Lots of people were saying he was going to be terrible.

Was there? I just thought it was funny Scip wrote this entire fucking guide for Skarner, then BAM. 2 days later, Skarner rework. rofl.

Legend says some people still say the changes have been a small nerf overall
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