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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.

Enough is enough. Let's move along now.

-NeoIllusions
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 10 2014 07:11 GMT
#1341
--- Nuked ---
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 07:15:29
June 10 2014 07:13 GMT
#1342
On June 10 2014 16:11 IMoperator wrote:
banning leblanc in solo queue is stupid because she has a 45% winrate anyway and nobody knows how to play her well. People just find her annoying which is why she's banned i guess


No, we ban her more-so that the ally doesn't insta-lcok her then go 0-6 in lane and feed the enemy mid who picked a safer mid laner (or Nidalee) and blames the jungler for not ganking in her lane. Jax probably also falls under the same category of, "ban to stop team mate from feeding" than anything else, seeing as LB and Jax require some skill to be good at.

It's basically like Kass pre-rework back in s2 and s3 where you banned him more-so to stop your team from picking him because they think he's freelo.

Rengar atm is basically freelo, probably Kayle too if she gets enough early kills.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 10 2014 07:21 GMT
#1343
On June 10 2014 16:11 IMoperator wrote:
banning leblanc in solo queue is stupid because she has a 45% winrate anyway and nobody knows how to play her well. People just find her annoying which is why she's banned i guess


Yes, literally nobody knows how to play her well. Good point.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 10 2014 07:22 GMT
#1344
Braum/Thresh/Rengar/Kayle/Jax

are my go to bans.

Even though I say Rengar isn't overly silly in my elo. I've been playing a lot of support, and there's no good way as support to shut him down, and It's rather hard to keep telling my ADC not to farm past river post lane phase.
Thresh is a ban, mostly because I like playing Blitz.
Jax, Kayle and Braum are obvious bans.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 07:38:16
June 10 2014 07:24 GMT
#1345
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

Right after I say this, 4 person fap session in bot lane for 5 minutes.

Enemy team needs some frozen mallets.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 07:30:43
June 10 2014 07:28 GMT
#1346
On June 10 2014 16:11 IMoperator wrote:
banning leblanc in solo queue is stupid because she has a 45% winrate anyway and nobody knows how to play her well. People just find her annoying which is why she's banned i guess

Is that the concept of bans though? Getting rid of champions you don't want to play against.
No one needs to play LeBonk like Shiphtur, even average ones can be annoying to lane against.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 10 2014 07:29 GMT
#1347
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?


probably because he's actually a good player and knows what it takes to win
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 10 2014 07:34 GMT
#1348
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

I donť know who Trick2G is but what you are describing here is the taming process of a jungler. Before a jungler gets a 5s team he is a mustang, a beast, a stud who wrecks face by himself, a based god. But once a jungler gets a serious team, laners whip him into shape, even though junglers generally understand the game better, the pressure is oftentimes too much. Eventually the jungler tames, becoming nothing more than the shadow of his former self, with hollow eyes and a hollow heart where you can find nothing but the smallest of regrets over becoming what he has.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 10 2014 07:38 GMT
#1349
Ok, but you don't know who Trick is...?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 10 2014 07:39 GMT
#1350
On June 10 2014 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
Ok, but you don't know who Trick is...?

I thought I did...
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 10 2014 07:41 GMT
#1351
On June 10 2014 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
Ok, but you don't know who Trick is...?

At this point he is nothing more than part of a sad statistic I'm afraid
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
June 10 2014 07:47 GMT
#1352
Scip, did you sleep yet.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 10 2014 07:52 GMT
#1353
On June 10 2014 16:34 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

I donť know who Trick2G is but what you are describing here is the taming process of a jungler. Before a jungler gets a 5s team he is a mustang, a beast, a stud who wrecks face by himself, a based god. But once a jungler gets a serious team, laners whip him into shape, even though junglers generally understand the game better, the pressure is oftentimes too much. Eventually the jungler tames, becoming nothing more than the shadow of his former self, with hollow eyes and a hollow heart where you can find nothing but the smallest of regrets over becoming what he has.

or end up like like xj9, and banned.
liftlift > tsm
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
June 10 2014 08:22 GMT
#1354
On June 10 2014 16:34 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

I donť know who Trick2G is but what you are describing here is the taming process of a jungler. Before a jungler gets a 5s team he is a mustang, a beast, a stud who wrecks face by himself, a based god. But once a jungler gets a serious team, laners whip him into shape, even though junglers generally understand the game better, the pressure is oftentimes too much. Eventually the jungler tames, becoming nothing more than the shadow of his former self, with hollow eyes and a hollow heart where you can find nothing but the smallest of regrets over becoming what he has.


What a cheap excuse for being bad.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 10 2014 08:37 GMT
#1355
On June 10 2014 16:34 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

I donť know who Trick2G is but what you are describing here is the taming process of a jungler. Before a jungler gets a 5s team he is a mustang, a beast, a stud who wrecks face by himself, a based god. But once a jungler gets a serious team, laners whip him into shape, even though junglers generally understand the game better, the pressure is oftentimes too much. Eventually the jungler tames, becoming nothing more than the shadow of his former self, with hollow eyes and a hollow heart where you can find nothing but the smallest of regrets over becoming what he has.


Sounds like the beginning of Django Unchained. What's next the jungler meets a player who lets him express his inner desires and becomes a beast like no other?
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 10 2014 08:49 GMT
#1356
On June 10 2014 17:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 16:34 Scip wrote:
On June 10 2014 16:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
Trick2G is playing a lot different from what he used to play. He used to tax every lane but now he leaves them when the enemy top has teleport and he gives kills to his top laners. What?

I donť know who Trick2G is but what you are describing here is the taming process of a jungler. Before a jungler gets a 5s team he is a mustang, a beast, a stud who wrecks face by himself, a based god. But once a jungler gets a serious team, laners whip him into shape, even though junglers generally understand the game better, the pressure is oftentimes too much. Eventually the jungler tames, becoming nothing more than the shadow of his former self, with hollow eyes and a hollow heart where you can find nothing but the smallest of regrets over becoming what he has.


Sounds like the beginning of Django Unchained. What's next the jungler meets a player who lets him express his inner desires and becomes a beast like no other?


He becomes meteos.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 09:59:33
June 10 2014 09:58 GMT
#1357
Banning Kayle, Rengar and Ryze basically. I don't mind strong stuff so much as broken stuff, and especially retard-proof stuff (I've lost games where I completely trashed the enemy Rengar or Shyvana because some people on the team had no clues and threw our lead by overstaying/diving when unnecessary and losing us tempo, letting the other team farm into relevance and outscale us; or Rengar because they wouldn't listen and as the game goes on it doesn't matter how shit he is, mashing his Q and hydra keys doesn't require much skill and the efficiency with which Rengar bursts also means it doesn't matter if he initiates stupidly because most of the time he'll trade kills anyway, or live long enough for his team to join after forcing multiple cooldowns from us).

Ryze's mostly because he's a real dick to play against (I can beat a bad one if I get an early gank to give me some farm as Jax and reach 6 and/or cutlass faster, but no way I beat an average one without help, too faceroll).

Things I'd ban but are mostly banned by the enemy team: Rengar/Kayle/Braum/Kassadin.
People ban LeBlanc, Lee Sin, Jax (I'd personally ban Ziggs or Nidalee over LB, but there's too much shit flying around atm to have a spare ban for them anyway).
Since my Elo sunk to Gold III (don't play on week-ends and public holidays guys), I'm seeing a fair amount of Vi, Evelynn, Nasus bans. Not quite seeing the point but eh, as long as they don't gift the enemy team Braum and Kayle for ultimate retarded-proofness...


People around Gold III have absolutely no sense of objectives, I didn't notice it previously but I've always skipped straight to Gold I (either from clamping in s3 or post-placements in s4) so I couldn't be sure which Elo I was at under the hood. They're bloodthirsty and try for plays they don't really know, they are really bad at using TP offensively (the feeding is strong, stronger than simply wasting the cd by TPing too far for example). I've seen a drake take more than 5 minutes to kill just because whenever I ping it an enemy worth 100 gold at that point appears on the map and they make a beeline for him, or try to siege when even if we'd get kills from the dive we wouldn't remain high enough to kill the tower.

I think that's my biggest "pet peeve", because of how I mentioned I need to get carried: I put people ahead, then I rely on them to have the execution to convert our lead in crushing teamfights. High Gold/low Plat, they'd let me "force feed" them gold through dragon calls, showing up in lane to push the tower before Ziggs comes back in (or gets his ult cd), roaming, etc.
In mid-Gold I pull my hair when I see them run into the enemy jungle and ignore the pings of the splitpusher who left lane and has a direct trajectory to gank them. Not that I never had it earlier, obviously, but after an oblivious play like that they'd say "oops", "my bad" and be more mindful afterwards. Here that mistake is repeated over and over, even when I spend several wards (mostly playing top and jungle atm) to spot flanks.

On the other hand, as I mentioned I'm literaly plagued by duoQs with a wide discrepancy, so maybe it's not a mid Gold mentality, but the combo of the higher Elo guy thinking he has to carry/snowball, and his Silver duo buddy who way overestimates his actual skill and keeps faceplanting by being cocky.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 10 2014 10:12 GMT
#1358
ban prio for me rengar > nidalee > lb > morgana

i dont care if a champ is overpowered or underpowered, i just dont want to play against a champion where i cant fight back. if my team cant dodge spears/binds or rengar/lb gets ahead and starts 1 shotting people theres not a lot i can do to help them. so i just dont want to deal with that.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 10 2014 11:35 GMT
#1359
kass,lb, kayle
Apoptotic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States137 Posts
June 10 2014 12:18 GMT
#1360
Bans in the Philippines are really strange, at my current rank the most called for bans are Katarina, Fizz, Teemo, LeBlanc, and Vi. o.o Gold III
SC2: Apoptotic.156 || LoL NA: DeathCapForCutíe PI: apoptotic || "There's something in my brain here that's telling me he needs to 2base all-in." "That's called a lesion."
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