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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Gahlo
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On June 09 2014 13:46 Sufficiency wrote: Exactly. This guy has never achieved anything in Korea or in NA. More wins against Korean teams than the entire history of NA and talent scouted a lot of the top players currently in Korea. Not to mention he has a solid understanding of the game, playing at a competitive level, and knowledge of Korean coaching techniques. If you could put anybody else in there that's currently available, is anybody else really more qualified and willing? | ||
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Sufficiency
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He also seems to be very astute about the game and articulate his ideas well. Loco can do neither. | ||
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OhTwoMise
United States164 Posts
On June 09 2014 12:04 TheYango wrote: How? I explicitly say that this can't really be credited to anyone. I'm not saying anyone EVER made a conscious decision to design the map this way or consciously noticed that the perspective issue contributed to Sentinel/Scourge imbalance--but rather that, with thousands of people playing hundreds of maps, there will be a subconscious trend toward more balanced map designs, regardless of whether or not people have any conscious understanding of why those map designs are more balanced. On June 09 2014 04:01 TheYango wrote: Rather, it's more likely that earlier on in War3's history, when there were many developers and many versions of the DotA map, people probably realized that the ones with these map features (which they probably didn't even attribute to Scourge side advantage given the general weaker understanding of the game at that point) were more balanced than the versions that had more symmetrical map layouts. I don't think this is true. As I said, the primary selection feature in the wild west days of DotA-likes was Blizzard's patch cycle breaking 95% of the maps every couple of months. Balance may have dictated what people played between cullings, but ultimately, Allstars (and a handful of other maps) survived because their developers both gave a shit and had time to update, not because they were more or less balanced or fun. As I alluded to earlier, there was definitely an anti-Allstars community in the early days, but as more and more maps became defunct, your options were limited to maybe 4 or 5 maps, and unless you had a healthy in-house community, it was really only Allstars or Eul's original map on RoC. On June 09 2014 04:01 TheYango wrote: Without this, there would never be any reason for a non-mirrored map to exist. The only reason you'd create a non-mirrored map is because it felt like it made the map better, and the only reason you'd like a non-mirrorored map is because it felt better to play. Again, this doesn't mean that anyone has a conscious understanding of what makes the non-mirrored map better, but rather that with such a large map pool evolving over time, certain map features that make the game better will be selected for favorably. There's actually a very simple explanation for non-mirrored maps that you're discounting: error. Particularly given the limited nature of the RoC editor (was vastly improved with TFT and various tools AFTER Eul laid out the bones of his map, which many editors straight plagiarized as a springboard) and that none of these maps were coded professionally, it's really not a stretch at all. College kids using the TFT editor in their spare time are probably not going to take an extra week to verify that their terrain is exactly mirrored, even if that was the intention. Edit: clarified quote source | ||
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Sufficiency
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On June 09 2014 13:54 Gahlo wrote: More wins against Korean teams than the entire history of NA and talent scouted a lot of the top players currently in Korea. Not to mention he has a solid understanding of the game, playing at a competitive level, and knowledge of Korean coaching techniques. If you could put anybody else in there that's currently available, is anybody else really more qualified and willing? OK let's divide this into parts. 1. Does loco have any competitive experience in LoL? Very little actually. I would argue his only experience was his time at Najin Shield (2 - 3 months), which he stayed for a few months then got kcked. The old TSM and Startale were too ancient to be considered real experience, and Quantic was an NACS team. 2. Did loco achieve anything in LoL? 0. Let's see... his time at Startale might be unfortunate, but other than that: A. Got kicked by Najin Shield. B. Got kicked by CLG (this id an NA team, mind you). C. Quantic. 3. Did loco scout any talents? Uh, I would say no. If he did, all of those players he mentioned would be on Najin now. So, either he didn't do any real scouting and just went hindsight 100, or he did, but failed to put up convincing argument for these talents. Also I just want to add there are no evidence whatsoever that he even worked in that capacity. 4. Does loco know the Korean coaching style? A little , perhaps, but not overwhelming. I say this because he stayed only for a few months on Najin Shield before he got kicked. And that was nearly a year ago and the game has changed. He does not really know that much about the "Korean coaching style" because he was barely part of it. 5. Does loco know about the game? A little, but largely unproven. It is pretty clear that he has very little competitive experience, but like many analysts, you do not need actual competitive experience to be an analyst. ... you just need to be a sharp observer who can communicate well. Like Monte. Unfortunately I don’t see any of that in loco. I predict loco will be coach for a max of 3 mknths for TSM. | ||
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FinestHour
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leads pseudo windwall on support cant wait for pseudowindwall top resourceless bruiser tank o wait tahts braum already | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? Well you could inherit a fortune, and spend it on the top talent for a season or two... | ||
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Ryuu314
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On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? lol are you fucking serious? Kkoma, coach of SKT has an even shittier League history/resume than Locodoco and yet his team is arguably the most dominant League has seen in recent years, rivaled by only M5. Success as a pro does not translate into coaching ability. Locodoco has been around League longer than most current pros, giving him pretty extensive knowledge of the game. On top of that, even though he was never a top tier pro (except maybe season 1 or earlier), he's had extensive experience as a talent scout and found/trained some of the best supports in the world. You've got to be fucking kidding me if you think Locodoco has "very little experience" in League. Now, can he be a good coach? Dunno. It's entirely possible he'd be a terrible coach since he can't articulate his ideas well or can't command respect. But saying he's unqualified 'cause of his resume is utter bullshit. | ||
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On June 09 2014 10:51 Neverhood wrote: Loco new TSM coach http://www.ongamers.com/articles/locodoco-to-be-tapped-as-tsm-s-new-full-time-coach/1100-1692/ HOLY I think the more interesting aspect of that article is that it confirms that Alliance and TSM were both in a type of bid war for locodoco. All I can say to that is good on him. He created his own market, and probably is getting paid well. Both these team see Locodoco as someone who can help them improve, and both these teams wanted him. Neither team are teams I would ever consider to struggling for money. Before the update, even the tone of the article seemed to imply that Alliance could still outbid TSM. | ||
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Sufficiency
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Loco has very little competitive experience. He played 3 months for Najin shield, and a few months for Startale but that was ancient. Didn't kkoma play BW for SKT? Kkoma is pretty old and he actually has a lot of experience. | ||
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Disengaged
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On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? The same way Monte is coaching and leading people to success even though he doesn't even play the game? | ||
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RagequitBM
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On June 09 2014 14:51 Sufficiency wrote: I have not seen this 'talent scout' of loco at all. Can someone enlighten me on this? I did watch Summoning Insight. Loco has very little competitive experience. He played 3 months for Najin shield, and a few months for Startale but that was ancient. Didn't kkoma play BW for SKT? Kkoma is pretty old and he actually has a lot of experience. He got second place in OGN back when he was adc for MiG frost. Yes it was a long time ago, but it's still some success. Playing at a professional level in general makes you quite qualified I think. | ||
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Slusher
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I don't think accomplishments as a pro mean much at all, I just can't get past how much of a goofball he can be, and trying to see that as an authority figure. that said I can see the upside here more than I could when LS was signed, although to his credit SHC has been improved this season. | ||
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