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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.
Enough is enough. Let's move along now.
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On June 09 2014 18:03 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 16:29 739 wrote:On June 09 2014 15:38 GolemMadness wrote:On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote:
It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? Are you serious...? How many current coaches had successful playing careers? How many of the top sports coaches in the world didn't even make it to the major leagues when they were players? This. Totally this. Coaching skills is not the same as being succesfull as a player and you can find shitload of examples in different sports/leagues etc. Then how come that more than 30% of Soccer coaches have a professional Player Background, while Overall in the Population less than 1% have a professional Player Background. Your whole Argument is a Farce.
I'm no statistic expert, but if you're saying 30% have a professional playing background, doesn't that mean 70% don't have a professional background? Which seems to lend itself to our side of the argument, rather than yours?
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On June 09 2014 18:03 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 16:29 739 wrote:On June 09 2014 15:38 GolemMadness wrote:On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote:
It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? Are you serious...? How many current coaches had successful playing careers? How many of the top sports coaches in the world didn't even make it to the major leagues when they were players? This. Totally this. Coaching skills is not the same as being succesfull as a player and you can find shitload of examples in different sports/leagues etc. Then how come that more than 30% of Soccer coaches have a professional Player Background, while Overall in the Population less than 1% have a professional Player Background. Your whole Argument is a Farce.
Conversely, this suggests that 60-70% of soccer coachers don't have a professional player background. I don't know if you meant all coaches, or only professional coaches, or only coaches of good professional teams, though, and that's fairly important. I would also like to see a source on this.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Also tell me, what kind of impressive playing career has someone like Jose Mourinho? Because as far as I know, he sucked balls as a player and played in some B-clubs in Portugal in 80's.
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So what do you guys think of Nidalee and how should she be changed?
I don't think a rework is necessary tbh, just increase her Q CD. Make it to be a bad thing when you don't hit it. Currently there is no real time window for people to take advantage of when Nid Q is on CD. If it has like ~5-7s CD at 40% CDR, you'd be able to go HAM when she misses.
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Most German football coaches (1. Bundesliga and national team) now and then were rather successful players, quite a few even legends.
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you guys argue all about how good of a player you have to be to coach. but most coaches that are successful had previous experience as a coach or in a managerial or authoritative , many are educated and older and more mature than the players they are coaching. this is loco-do-coke-of-jaedongs-erect-penis-doco. i don't have his transcript in front of me, but he doesn't seem to have had any experience doing this sort of job, nor is he educated or very mature.
i don't think there are many coaches at all in the world worth picking up for a team struggling as much as TSM, a few former BW coaches a chinese dota coach from 3-4 years ago and maybe a european CS coach, but otherwise? eh. it'll take a good coach to turn around that mess, and i don't think someone trying to coach for the first time is going to be able to do it.
you pick up a new coach like loco when you are starting fresh to build chemistry, you don't bring him into a lineup of established players with egos if he doesn't have experience controlling that.
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On June 09 2014 18:33 Doctorbeat wrote:
So what do you guys think of Nidalee and how should she be changed?
I don't think a rework is necessary tbh, just increase her Q CD. Make it to be a bad thing when you don't hit it. Currently there is no real time window for people to take advantage of when Nid Q is on CD. If it has like ~5-7s CD at 40% CDR, you'd be able to go HAM when she misses.
Lift up lid of trash can.
toss nidalee in.
close trash can.
incinerate.
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On June 09 2014 17:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Locodoco basically taught me how to play this game, I trust in his ability as an analyst
it doesnt matter how smart he is when it comes to lol. if he cant hold a conversation properly and / or the players wont listen to him it wont make any difference.
i dont think he will be of any use to them and its nothing to do with his personal skill.
On June 09 2014 18:33 Doctorbeat wrote:
So what do you guys think of Nidalee and how should she be changed?
I don't think a rework is necessary tbh, just increase her Q CD. Make it to be a bad thing when you don't hit it. Currently there is no real time window for people to take advantage of when Nid Q is on CD. If it has like ~5-7s CD at 40% CDR, you'd be able to go HAM when she misses.
if you want to keep the spear power level where its at you need to both increase the CD, remove her movement speed passive and completely redesign her ult (probably to the point of reworking her lore entirely).
the problem with nidalee isnt just that the spear does too much damage/nothing lost for missing. the core of what i hate about her is even if you do engage on her after missing a spear, her TF power with a strong heal and 3 good abilities in cougar form is still comparable to anyone else.
if you want a champion to have good sieging potential they need to be fairly stationary themselves. this is why i believe ziggs is also overpowered/first pick first ban. he has the range and damage to force objectives while playing from a safe distance, but when you do finally catch him he also has mobility to escape you.
its the mobility + range thats shitty, not range + damage.
On June 09 2014 18:18 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 18:03 TigerKarl wrote:On June 09 2014 16:29 739 wrote:On June 09 2014 15:38 GolemMadness wrote:On June 09 2014 14:21 Sufficiency wrote:
It is not ridiculous at all. If you have not done anything to be successful yourself (in any capacity), how do you lead other people to success? Are you serious...? How many current coaches had successful playing careers? How many of the top sports coaches in the world didn't even make it to the major leagues when they were players? This. Totally this. Coaching skills is not the same as being succesfull as a player and you can find shitload of examples in different sports/leagues etc. Then how come that more than 30% of Soccer coaches have a professional Player Background, while Overall in the Population less than 1% have a professional Player Background. Your whole Argument is a Farce. I'm no statistic expert, but if you're saying 30% have a professional playing background, doesn't that mean 70% don't have a professional background? Which seems to lend itself to our side of the argument, rather than yours?
i think hes implying that the 70% who dont normally have coaching experience or similar instead.
so you are either a professional coach, or a strong player. since game knowledge (normally from being a player) and being able to apply knowledge to change play/results (from being a professional coach) are the 2 core abilities for a gaming coach.
loco on paper has neither of these things.
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Also you don't need a coach to see that Dyrus suck balls recently and team lacks motivation.
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How could the team lack motivation in the only split that matters this year lol.
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Given that it's more or less impossible to show coaching competency in league due to there being no reck leagues and no semi pro leagues and basically nothing but the big time it does seem reasonable to be skeptical of people who haven't own or demonstrated the ability to understand top level play. Notwithstanding locos actual ability it's a legitimate concern.
Most other sports don't have that issue
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I think if Loco and regi worked together they could get some decent results out of TSM (coaching wise)
You guys seem to forget loco could just be whispering in regis ear while regi is spanking TSM into formation.
I feel like Loco has alot to offer, getting TSM into that korean-esque gaming schedule could help alot. If he and regi get the team consistently practicing hard instead of bronze-challenger streams and shit it could only be for the better.
If his scouting claims are true, then he has the ability to spot good talent, regi isn't blind to it himself but both of them together could make for some beastly pickups IMO.
I actually just feel like the regi/loco wombocombo could do alot of things if it worked out (and ego's didnt clash) the amount of league experience between the two is immense and besides training/scouting the two could probably help with just about every aspect of the game. If they sat an analysed games together having legitimate discussions and forming ideas/plans before talking with the actual team, do you really think they would be bad ideas/plans? Two experienced players bouncing off eachother has to be one of the most solid ways to making improvement i can think of.
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On June 09 2014 18:52 Numy wrote:
How could the team lack motivation in the only split that matters this year lol.
Because nothing actually matters and they'll all be dead in 80 years regardless?
Sure, I say that somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's still true. Life, even for those guys, involves more than what happens in the LCS each weekend, and it's not that hard to have things interfere with each other. I look at Dyrus and can't help but wonder how much longer he will be on the team. Not because of his own performances, but because when he started there, it was a *totally* different beast. Not a single one of those original team members (and his friends as far as things seemed from a distance) are on the team any more and they were much more of the "just living together and playing video games" than what things appear like now-a-days. Lots of people get burnt out from their jobs and hobbies, even the ones they originally enjoy (and often can go back to enjoying at some later point). I don't know why gamers should be excluded from this possibility.
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On June 09 2014 19:02 asymptotech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2014 18:52 Numy wrote:
How could the team lack motivation in the only split that matters this year lol. Because nothing actually matters and they'll all be dead in 80 years regardless? Sure, I say that somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's still true. Life, even for those guys, involves more than what happens in the LCS each weekend, and it's not that hard to have things interfere with each other. I look at Dyrus and can't help but wonder how much longer he will be on the team. Not because of his own performances, but because when he started there, it was a *totally* different beast. Not a single one of those original team members (and his friends as far as things seemed from a distance) are on the team any more and they were much more of the "just living together and playing video games" than what things appear like now-a-days. Lots of people get burnt out from their jobs and hobbies, even the ones they originally enjoy (and often can go back to enjoying at some later point). I don't know why gamers should be excluded from this possibility.
Yea I get that it's just that they were motivated last split which meant absolutely nothing. So to be unmotivated when the goal they said they wanted is in sight seems rather strange. It's a whole other beast if this happened post worlds or last split. Last split they were all about being the best team in NA and doing well at worlds. Now is the time to reach that dream so that goal alone should motivate them. Unless it really wasn't that big a deal to them in the first place.
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Well players still have others problems than LCS and things like being bored/tired etc. etc applies to them as well.
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Loco posts blogs about girls and how he's depressed that some girl broke his heart and that games ruined his relationship with his family.
I don't think I ever saw Phil Jackson of the Chicago Bulls and LA Lakers do things like this. But I'm sure loco will do a fine job helping young impressionable adults develop efficient time management techniques and how to prioritize and delegate important tasks. Yes, because he has a challenger account, somehow magically he will be capable of these things. Thank god Loco is TSM coach.
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Weird. Played 8 games and haven't seen a single Karthus. Was expecting at least 2 or 3 by now.
This is actually struggletown right now. Every game I get ADC I go legendary, everytime I get anything else, I'm 0 - 5 in the first 10 minutes. I can't handle it.
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At last they've changed my ISP at work, from 7mb/6,5mb dl/up to 45mb/55mb dl/up, hurray.
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On June 09 2014 20:19 RagequitBM wrote:
Weird. Played 8 games and haven't seen a single Karthus. Was expecting at least 2 or 3 by now.
This is actually struggletown right now. Every game I get ADC I go legendary, everytime I get anything else, I'm 0 - 5 in the first 10 minutes. I can't handle it.
Only because some screamers thought Kartgus was bugged lol.
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On June 09 2014 20:19 RagequitBM wrote:
Weird. Played 8 games and haven't seen a single Karthus. Was expecting at least 2 or 3 by now.
This is actually struggletown right now. Every game I get ADC I go legendary, everytime I get anything else, I'm 0 - 5 in the first 10 minutes. I can't handle it.
Time to play Quinn top and Ezreal mid.
This will solve all your problems.
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