I forced a last second All-In Fiora. Everyone complained but by the time it was done everyone friended me. If people took the time to play less played champs instead of the OP ones, they would enjoy it more.

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Bearded Elder29905 Posts

May 30 2014 07:21 GMT

#1223

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/C9 Hai

All-in Ziggs :D

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

May 30 2014 07:24 GMT

#1224

i played all caitlyn, the cancer was real.
i ended up doing most damage with blue build cait build. 40% cdr, ibg/muramana/lw/bc/ionian boots/bt. Shit was cancer as fuck. Could Q-E combo every 5 seconds.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 30 2014 07:36 GMT

#1225

Going all in heimerdinger right now
I voted for it, 3 people went for ziggs and malphite
I wonder if the game will ever end LOL

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

May 30 2014 07:40 GMT

#1226

On May 30 2014 16:21 739 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/C9 Hai

All-in Ziggs :D

A rioter talking to hai: ziggs one for all is like swarmhost ZvZ
That is absurdly accurate

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 30 2014 07:57 GMT

#1227

LOL, enemy team surrendered at 2000 in the heimer game because it was too boring LOL

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

May 30 2014 08:33 GMT

#1228

The one game of all for one I played was all viktor. Unfortunately, my team had 5 people who were either terrible, had even less experience on viktor than I did(1 aram) or both.

Also laser is silly with smartcast. I don't know how you guys make it work, because it feels so much better to press(release key) click&drag release vs. press drag release. Maybe it's just because I don't know the range on viktor E.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

May 30 2014 08:57 GMT

#1229

I like using his laser on smartcast. I think you get used to it pretty quickly. The first time I played Viktor, I had no idea how I was supposed to aim his laser. I kept using it thinking that it'd just go off straight in that direction, but then it'd go somewhere completely random, and I was like "Man, this champion sucks."

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

May 30 2014 10:00 GMT

#1230

Yeah I smartcast everything in the game but rumble ult and viktor e lol.Feels so weird.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

May 30 2014 10:14 GMT

#1231

On May 30 2014 12:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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All of the Pentakill stuff is actually amazing. I thought it would be gimmicky bullshit like Instalok or all that other crap but oh my god \m/

(Well, the instrumental is basic as heck. Lyrics are fun and well done so you don't even notice the music though.)

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Well, it's only 110 when you're level 9. I'll generally get athene's or morello anyway.

That's the thing. Viktor is a burst champion, his laser's AoE is thin and slower than something like Ziggs' Q or Lux's E (Ziggs's Q has 1700 projectile speed before the first bounce wtf, it's point'n'click at this stage unless they can dash), and he doesn't have absurd damage/reach like LeBlanc to allow for an early Grail.
Because Q range is short / he only has 2 damaging abilities / he does his damage over time / his R is a huge part of his burst but clunky as hell and it's easy to miss out on damage / he's immobile and squishy, I think that Viktor's bad late game.
If people are mostly squishies (or their tanky members aren't damage threats, eg. stuff like Maokai rather than Shyvana) and don't abuse your low range you can destroy teams, but the latter it goes, the harder it is (esp. as you die super fast). Otherwise, you really peak at midgame, when even if your ult won't kill a meta tanky offlaner (not even Ryze) you'll kill squishies super fast and be able to to zone the rest, while being able to survive more than 2s under enemy fire (save for assassins). If you build chalice or grail, you hurt this peak by delaying your items.
I'd rather focus on getting as many blue buffs as possible and building damage than trying to poke people because Viktor will lose in that department, his sustained ranged damage is inferior to most poke champs (one spell, long cd), and while CDR is useful for his ult, he's so reliant on it (and it's clearly a teamfighting ult) that it's not like he's Ziggs who has self-peel/mobility, amazing zone control with the mines and 1k+ range spam even if he burnt his ult on a sidelane 15s before the fight, or Lux/LB who don't care about "wasting" theirs because with CDR the cd becomes so short you just need to stall a bit.

TL;DR: only one spell with long cd to damage farther than 600 range, clunky flat 120s cd teamfighting ult, about as easy to reach and kill as Brand -> your late game is suspect so you should abuse your weird power curve (esp. since people usually don't know about it).

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

May 30 2014 10:48 GMT

#1232

I don't think Viktor's late game is weak at all. Really, his only weakness is that he has no mobility. Otherwise, he excels at pretty much everything. Insane AoE burst, good sustained damage, peeling, sieging, defense, etc. With 550 AP and 35% CDR (athene's or morello + blue buff) you have a 250 health shield on a 3.25 second cooldown that also does 620 damage. This combined with your ability to just throw down a W on top of yourself can make it very hard for melee champions to dive you.

I'm not saying that you need to rush chalice or anything, just that including athene's or morello in your build at some point can be good. The 20% CDR is very strong on Viktor, and the mana regen is needed for extended sieges if you don't have blue.

Bam Lee

2336 Posts

May 30 2014 10:53 GMT

#1233

Guys try one for all Alistar. It's fucking hilarious lol

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 30 2014 11:07 GMT

#1234

On May 30 2014 19:53 Bam Lee wrote:
Guys try one for all Alistar. It's fucking hilarious lol

Yep, I always vote for alistar. Nobody knows about me leet tiamat alistar build

Alaric

France45622 Posts

May 30 2014 11:09 GMT

#1235

Thing is compared to someone like Lux or Ziggs, Viktor has to kinda expose himself if he wants to hit people reliably (or shoot the laser through a wall) (interestingly enough a bot would be super good at using E because your position only matter for the starting point thanks to the vector targeting, and because it has no cast animation, you can theorically turn away in the same frame you cast the spell to abuse range).
And he can only hit one spell when doing it.

TL;DR: as I mentioned, I'll often get Grail after Augment/Zhonya/Void Staff (Deathcap if I was doing well and built it), but I find counter-productive to build it early. Viktor needs the mana sustain, it's just that he needs to burst people more.
His numbers aren't bad for the lategame, but not building tanky means his shield is stronger mid than late game, and like Swain the combination of short range + damage over time means that it's harder to kill people (they have more time to receive a shield/heal/flash out/whatever, and are more likely to have a defensive item later on). Not ideal for a sitting duck burst mage.

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His Q seems good on paper, "oh yeah, good dps thanks to low cd, and a shield too!", but in actuality when you're in range to cast it you're usually in trouble too, Ryze has 600 range, but Ryze has innate spell vamp, insane single-target damage to get a burst of healing, instant cc, and he naturally builds pretty tanky. Of course I had great situations (spent something like 8-9 seconds under 150 health in a late game fight once because Twitch mispositioned and I instantly destroyed him, while the rest of my team dove, meaning only their Leona was on me and QWQ kept me alive till I killed her), but these are exceptions. Usually when someone's on top of you, you Flash out or you die (sometimes you can't even unleash your combo because Q/W/R have long-ass animations).
Viktor doesn't like getting in range, but he has to if he wants to deal damage (because of his non-damaging spell he needs Q, and R gets easily outran if he's not actively chasing people; on the other hand cc him right after he casts R and you greatly reduce his damage because pet AI sucks and while it's supposed to chase, more often than not the ult will sit there, and by the time the cc wears off the enemy's out of the AoE and outruns the cloud).