EPT[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 64
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:34 justiceknight wrote: ![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10374008_853530571340952_1154848813554870234_n.jpg) this game is so outrageous, the amount of different builds for taric is outrageous too if by builds you mean buying bad items, then yes, he has many builds. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
kinda like Alistar, probably a massive slugfests where everyone is on top of everyone else, seems like being able to hit multiple people with your autos would be pretty powerful thing to have | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:44 Scip wrote: where everyone is on top of everyone else standard taric v taric orgy i played enouge jungle taric to havea good idea of whats good on him 1: Max CDR, spirit visage is OK, preferably frozen heart somewhere for max mana 2: Trinity of at least IBG 3: Tank stats 4: Wits or BOTRk 5: AP is alright but meh Trinity/Frozen/Spirit visage would be the best build brutalizer is kinda dumb probably LW is better against mass tarics wits end or AP might be smart if the armour auras stack in taric v taric hydra might be good but its unlikely you want to focus somenoe before they can heal spam him tarics all self heal themselves so | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'd like to see winrates for teams that have 1 teleport summoner vs teams that have zero teleports. Or 2 teleports vs 1, or 2 vs zero. Is this possible? Would it also be possible to exclude games where the zero teleport team has a champion with a global movement skill? (Shen, TF, Pantheon, Nocturne, Quinn probably the only ones I'd exclude) I'm becoming increasingly convinced that top laners should always take teleport all the time no matter who they are or what the lane is, and I'm wondering if the data supports that hypothesis. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:48 krndandaman wrote: finally fulfilled one of the things on my league bucket list -perform a successful insec and win with lee sin in ranked on a non-smurf im so awful at lee lol. dat 2/7 average KDA next one is probably do a link-esque leblanc pick off 100-0 in a 5v5 siege off. You don't even need to know how to insec to play a decent lee sin. Land q's and always go in. Tt's 50% winrate seems about right considering camera angle for the map. It's mostly left to right horizontally and less diagonal. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:07 Ketara wrote: Hey Sufficiency, I have a question for your data gathering. I'd like to see winrates for teams that have 1 teleport summoner vs teams that have zero teleports. Or 2 teleports vs 1, or 2 vs zero. Is this possible? Would it also be possible to exclude games where the zero teleport team has a champion with a global movement skill? (Shen, TF, Pantheon, Nocturne, Quinn probably the only ones I'd exclude) I'm becoming increasingly convinced that top laners should always take teleport all the time no matter who they are or what the lane is, and I'm wondering if the data supports that hypothesis. I can tell you if a champion is running teleport. I can't tell you if that champion was playing the top lane role or not. Like if you play Lissandra with tp I can't tell you if Liss went mid or top without some guess work. Excluding teleport champions is fairly simple and it is possible. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:25 krndandaman wrote: my early game lee is pretty solid. its just that I'm completely useless late game since I can't insec consistently. any lee who can't insec lategame is pretty useless. I do my best with using my kick as a peel for adc but I don't have the threat of being an initiator which is sad. I also realized how inefficient my farming was with lee as well. once I fixed that I think I halved my time farming in the jungle. stupid me didn't realize I should save the 2nd part of Q when minion was lower. Lategame is okay without insec. Insec just opens up the option of doing lategame picks. Imo using it as peel in teamfights is better than insec in most cases. Knocking up 3 or more people can be a game changer. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:38 Sufficiency wrote: I can tell you if a champion is running teleport. I can't tell you if that champion was playing the top lane role or not. Like if you play Lissandra with tp I can't tell you if Liss went mid or top without some guess work. Excluding teleport champions is fairly simple and it is possible. Could you check winrates on a champ with and without teleport? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:38 Sufficiency wrote: I can tell you if a champion is running teleport. I can't tell you if that champion was playing the top lane role or not. Like if you play Lissandra with tp I can't tell you if Liss went mid or top without some guess work. Excluding teleport champions is fairly simple and it is possible. I don't care what lane it's in, I just want to see if the winrate changes noticeably when team A has a teleport and team B does not, excluding champions with abilities that can function like a teleport. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 31 2014 02:07 Amui wrote: Could you check winrates on a champ with and without teleport? Yeah that is what I want to check first, since it is far easier. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
A lot of the fighting happens in the upper half of the circle, which means blue side goes bottom left to top right as normal, but purple side has to play bottom right to top left. If camera angle is a thing, then players playing with a different camera angle than SR should favor blue side | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 31 2014 02:10 wei2coolman wrote: Why would you exclude quinn? Rofl. Nice movespeed ult. Teleport level global it's not. It's pretty close. Pantheon ult covers 5500 range in 3.5 seconds. Basically 1571 movespeed. Quinns movespeed with rank 3 ult is often close to 800, and lasts a lot longer. For example, if the distance you need to close is 6500-7000, Quinn actually gets there faster than Pantheon. It is probably the worst of the big movespeed ultimates in terms of getting to another lane instantly, but it's enough that she doesn't need to take Teleport and might skew results of Teleport related statistics. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 31 2014 02:56 Ketara wrote: It's pretty close. Pantheon ult covers 5500 range in 3.5 seconds. Basically 1571 movespeed. Quinns movespeed with rank 3 ult is often close to 800, and lasts a lot longer. For example, if the distance you need to close is 6500-7000, Quinn actually gets there faster than Pantheon. It is probably the worst of the big movespeed ultimates in terms of getting to another lane instantly, but it's enough that she doesn't need to take Teleport and might skew results of Teleport related statistics. that's vastly different over the actual mechanics of a teleport/gap closer. Cuz if you want to count that, then shit like khaziks jump and gragas belly bump should be taken out too, cuz practically speaking, the ability to jump walls is a huge mobility difference than just MS. It's a silly exclusion. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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