EPT[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 4
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On May 22 2014 17:22 Doctorbeat wrote: Does Braum have a weakness? What is it? I have no fucking clue how to play vs him in teamfights. Can't focus him with CC or damage since he'll just shrug it off, can't ignore him because retarded CC & utility. Wat do? Can't outrotate because coordinating in soloq is so hard. Probably will want BotRK on your ADC, for lane phase try to bait out his E as it's a decently long CD and get in poke/harass while it's down. Post-lane you will basically need to dodge his Q and try to ignore him when you start to engage, but the moment you see yourself get 2 stacks either kill the other person fast or Flash away so you don't get stunned for 2-ish seconds. The issue with Braum's early game is that he starts off with so much HP and gets nearly 100 HP per level, that by the time you exit lane phase if you go even he's probably sitting close to 2k HP at level 10 (as he'll probably have Targon + Sightstone + tier 1 boots and maybe even Kindlegem in his inventory). Champs that also do %HP damage will chew through him at basically all stages of the game, so keep that in mind. Early game ganks from a champ like Elise or Vi can help out with that, as they get %HP damage skills pretty early on. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 22 2014 17:12 GolemMadness wrote: Who bans Syndra? Should play some Viktor. Viktor is good times. I feel like if they make Viktors augment a trinket like rengars but keep the ap/burn from death ray etc he will become a really broken midlane tbh | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 22 2014 17:37 arb wrote: I feel like if they make Viktors augment a trinket like rengars but keep the ap/burn from death ray etc he will become a really broken midlane tbh They said they're not gonna do that. Really, I just want them to remove the cast time delay on his ult. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
One of the most annoying things is when you cast it, it does that, so you redirect it and have to move toward the enemy to allow the ult to catch up, they want to disengage so you get cc'd, and unless you predicted their paths for the duration of the cc you're screwed because the ult will stray farther while being slower once you're out of the cc since the distance between you and the enemies has raised. I know on paper the thing's dps is high, but because of how clunky its cast and Riot's secondary control (Tibbers, Child of the Grave, Omen of Death, Hallucinate... ) are, you rarely get more than 2-3s worth of damage (even less on long-ranged target because you have to put yourself in harm's way to get the initial cast and you'll usually get immediately cc'd, resulting in initial damage and one tick before they're out). | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 22 2014 17:33 Kinie wrote: Probably will want BotRK on your ADC, for lane phase try to bait out his E as it's a decently long CD and get in poke/harass while it's down. Post-lane you will basically need to dodge his Q and try to ignore him when you start to engage, but the moment you see yourself get 2 stacks either kill the other person fast or Flash away so you don't get stunned for 2-ish seconds. The issue with Braum's early game is that he starts off with so much HP and gets nearly 100 HP per level, that by the time you exit lane phase if you go even he's probably sitting close to 2k HP at level 10 (as he'll probably have Targon + Sightstone + tier 1 boots and maybe even Kindlegem in his inventory). Champs that also do %HP damage will chew through him at basically all stages of the game, so keep that in mind. Early game ganks from a champ like Elise or Vi can help out with that, as they get %HP damage skills pretty early on. I was jungling Eve in the game. Had SotEL/Randuin/Hex and going for SFC/Bork. Shoud I just get earlier BoRK with Braum in game? And it was so frustrating to play vs. His ult is like impossible to bait since everyone uses it defensively, it has hhuuuuge range and made all of my flanking attempts useless. Everytime I tried I got focused and Braum on his own held the rest of our team off D: | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:08 napo wrote: Dunno why are people saying Pantheon got nerfed - he got fixed, it was never intended to work the way it did, so it just got fixed, not nerfed. Im actually happy with it. Because it's not some newly discovered bug. It had been in the game forever and simply been understood and accepted. It was part of how pantheon was balanced and played against. You can claim it's a bug fix, but that's merely a semantic argument at best. And, just to add to that, there are plenty of bugs that were essentially allowed by riot to stay in the game when they considered balancing or possibly removing. They had considered getting rid of certain character's ability to jump to wards as it wasn't intended and then the outcry was so big they decided not to. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:08 napo wrote: Dunno why are people saying Pantheon got nerfed - he got fixed, it was never intended to work the way it did, so it just got fixed, not nerfed. Im actually happy with it. I take it you don't play Pantheon then. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:08 napo wrote: Dunno why are people saying Pantheon got nerfed - he got fixed, it was never intended to work the way it did, so it just got fixed, not nerfed. Im actually happy with it. If a fix results in decreased strength then it's a nerf. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
He is a really good soloq hero just because he can sit mid and farm while impacting other lanes, and that no matter how bad he does lategame positionally he still does alot of damage to your team with his ult. Plus all the assassins and super mobile champions that he hated have been falling out of favor. People will play him, people will notice how easy he is to do well with, and then he will get nerfed, like every single other mid that gets popular. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:38 dae wrote: I am calling it right now, Karthus VU will result in Karthus nerfs in a patch or two. He is a really good soloq hero just because he can sit mid and farm while impacting other lanes, and that no matter how bad he does lategame positionally he still does alot of damage to your team with his ult. Plus all the assassins and super mobile champions that he hated have been falling out of favor. People will play him, people will notice how easy he is to do well with, and then he will get nerfed, like every single other mid that gets popular. Eh any assassin shits on Karthus. Akali/Zed/Kat/Yasuo etc. Defile doesn't do loads of damage till later on and from early on Karthus will have to just spam at range and hope to not die, along with taking exhaust just to be able to survive. | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:44 Doctorbeat wrote: Yeah but you can sit 1000 range in the back and still farm safely, then ult and grab a kill every now and then. And with blue you just farm the jngle all day everyday and roll over the enemy team. Karth in mid is somewhat like blue ez was. He could not compete in lane early, but he could easily farm from far away, where the enemy couldnt punish him.Eh any assassin shits on Karthus. Akali/Zed/Kat/Yasuo etc. Defile doesn't do loads of damage till later on and from early on Karthus will have to just spam at range and hope to not die, along with taking exhaust just to be able to survive. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:44 Doctorbeat wrote: Eh any assassin shits on Karthus. Akali/Zed/Kat/Yasuo etc. Defile doesn't do loads of damage till later on and from early on Karthus will have to just spam at range and hope to not die, along with taking exhaust just to be able to survive. You can farm at range with pretty much complete safety with skittles, and when they go in on you exhaust them and either kill them with skittle spam or run away | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:56 arb wrote: You can farm at range with pretty much complete safety with skittles, and when they go in on you exhaust them and either kill them with skittle spam or run away Use your exhaust once and you can't trade nor farm. Assassins will kill you under tower. I mean it's not a guaranteed win by any shot for the assassin player, but I do think it's in their favour. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 22 2014 19:04 Doctorbeat wrote: Use your exhaust once and you can't trade nor farm. Assassins will kill you under tower. I mean it's not a guaranteed win by any shot for the assassin player, but I do think it's in their favour. Thing is the assassin player is the one that has to make the moves. In solo q having a matchup that you can just default in while your enemy has to try to win leaves you in a good position. More often than not the enemy will make mistakes trying because he feels he has to do something to you. If you just play it safe and cautiously you'll win more than you lose. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On May 22 2014 18:08 napo wrote: Dunno why are people saying Pantheon got nerfed - he got fixed, it was never intended to work the way it did, so it just got fixed, not nerfed. Im actually happy with it. Pantheon got reworked twice before they even addressed this. You must be joking. | ||
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