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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
May 22 2014 10:29 GMT
#81
Played against a Braum in a normal today. He had 1750 health at level 6. Did he have health runes or is his health just that insane?
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 22 2014 10:30 GMT
#82
Health runes 99% iirc.
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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
May 22 2014 10:31 GMT
#83
In the games I've played vs Braum (I don't own him) it seems like his ult is really hard to aim or really easy dodge. Of course it leaves a big slow, but dodging the knock up seems highly possible.

Still a stupid champ.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 22 2014 10:39 GMT
#84
lead with q, then ult them. then when they come down from the knock up they are gonna be pretty much insta stunned.

yes its slow as balls against normal movement people.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
May 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#85
I'm actually kinda mad they gutted panth's jump. that's annoying as hell. Even beyond the actual nerf, it just feels all wrong for panth to not just mandrop in and immediately go ham.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#86
On May 22 2014 19:41 Kaneh wrote:
I'm actually kinda mad they gutted panth's jump. that's annoying as hell. Even beyond the actual nerf, it just feels all wrong for panth to not just mandrop in and immediately go ham.

Pantheon ult feels like this after that crappy fix :

ManDROP
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
May 22 2014 12:03 GMT
#87
Which supports are good vs Braum? I would assume harassers/pokers such as karma, lulu, zilean, perhaps morgana. Coz all in supports like thresh, leona annie etc they just lose the trade somehow
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
May 22 2014 12:25 GMT
#88
No support is really good vs Braum overall. Morgana and Karma are fine in lane, but in teamfights Braum is stronger.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 22 2014 12:34 GMT
#89
Zyra works well in lane vs Braum in my limited 2 games experience.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
May 22 2014 12:49 GMT
#90
On May 22 2014 21:34 Serelitz wrote:
Zyra works well in lane vs Braum in my limited 2 games experience.


That's true, Zyra falls into the same category as Morgana and Karma. Good for the lane, but worse than Braum later on. The reason for this is different to Morgana and Karma though. Zyra has great teamfight presence, but she has huge problems getting caught and dieing instantly. Morgana and Karma can somewhat safely ward and escape and they forgive some mispositioning, whereas Zyra is dead every time she is in a bad spot. Zyra can be a good pick vs Braum if the opponent has very little assassination in their team.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
May 22 2014 12:53 GMT
#91
I played as Zilean vs Braum, it was only one game to make legit conclusions, but it turned to a free farm for my adc. Nothing Braum can do to threaten Zilean, whenever they want to fight u can easily disengage, you gotta make a big misplay for something to go wrong. Even if the jungle ganks you and even if they take a kill, still when you come back its a free farm. Their jungle has to camp you hard if they want anything else but farming under turret constantly harassed lane.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
May 22 2014 13:34 GMT
#92
Wow not only did they completely gut Soraka's laning phase they also made her ability to support god awful. How are you going to lane when you can't infuse their support without going mega oom?

She'll be unplayable in 4.8.

Also poor Pantheon As if he didn't scale bad enough already they now gutted the only thing that made him worthwhile.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 22 2014 13:43 GMT
#93
On May 22 2014 22:34 Figgy wrote:
Wow not only did they completely gut Soraka's laning phase they also made her ability to support god awful. How are you going to lane when you can't infuse their support without going mega oom?

She'll be unplayable in 4.8.

Also poor Pantheon As if he didn't scale bad enough already they now gutted the only thing that made him worthwhile.


They don't want Soraka in the game. If they could they would remove her but I don't think that would go well with the comunity.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
May 22 2014 13:49 GMT
#94
On May 22 2014 22:43 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 22:34 Figgy wrote:
Wow not only did they completely gut Soraka's laning phase they also made her ability to support god awful. How are you going to lane when you can't infuse their support without going mega oom?

She'll be unplayable in 4.8.

Also poor Pantheon As if he didn't scale bad enough already they now gutted the only thing that made him worthwhile.


They don't want Soraka in the game. If they could they would remove her but I don't think that would go well with the comunity.

I'm not complaining. Who actually likes Soraka
Platinum Support GOD
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 22 2014 13:58 GMT
#95
On May 22 2014 22:49 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 22:43 Numy wrote:
On May 22 2014 22:34 Figgy wrote:
Wow not only did they completely gut Soraka's laning phase they also made her ability to support god awful. How are you going to lane when you can't infuse their support without going mega oom?

She'll be unplayable in 4.8.

Also poor Pantheon As if he didn't scale bad enough already they now gutted the only thing that made him worthwhile.


They don't want Soraka in the game. If they could they would remove her but I don't think that would go well with the comunity.

I'm not complaining. Who actually likes Soraka


Someone I know IRL mained Soraka support before she became 'meta', even gifted me the last skin >_>.

So yeah, they're out there I guess.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 22 2014 14:06 GMT
#96
On May 22 2014 22:58 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 22:49 MattBarry wrote:
On May 22 2014 22:43 Numy wrote:
On May 22 2014 22:34 Figgy wrote:
Wow not only did they completely gut Soraka's laning phase they also made her ability to support god awful. How are you going to lane when you can't infuse their support without going mega oom?

She'll be unplayable in 4.8.

Also poor Pantheon As if he didn't scale bad enough already they now gutted the only thing that made him worthwhile.


They don't want Soraka in the game. If they could they would remove her but I don't think that would go well with the comunity.

I'm not complaining. Who actually likes Soraka


Someone I know IRL mained Soraka support before she became 'meta', even gifted me the last skin >_>.

So yeah, they're out there I guess.


Should contact the authorities. Got a potential serial killer on the loose.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 14:10:44
May 22 2014 14:10 GMT
#97
His hobbies outside of league include watching paint dry and growing grass.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 22 2014 14:17 GMT
#98
Support Zilean seems like a pretty smart idea vs support Braum.

Poke with zero projectiles, and Braum can't really jump to the ADC while a bomb is on either of them.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 22 2014 14:18 GMT
#99
I've seen a few Soraka mains actually wreck by being proactive before she became meta (still recent, a few weeks back, she wasn't back in FotM sololanes yet though). Of course the guys who picked her because "oh I have to support? What do I pick then" were invisible and got wrecked themselves.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 14:53:06
May 22 2014 14:30 GMT
#100
They should make Soraka's Q shred armor IMO.
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