EPT[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 90
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
So yeah, because Triforce exists. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:04 Goumindong wrote: Kayle works in about any lane but bottom i think. And Jayce was a very very strong top in the age of ranged tops. He only fell off with the doran's shield buffs which basically removed every ranged top She kinda sucks top vs Jax and Irelia once they get big enough to fight her though and many other uncommon tanky tops like Garen and Volibear destroy her if your ping is just slightly high for one second. I don't have ping problems anymore but I used to and Kayle was monstrously hard to play. I liked her so much more mid where at worst someone like brand or lb could harass her. And while her jungling clear speed was fine I didn't feel comfortable invading as her or ganking through wards when I could just bypass them as Nocturne, or Rengar, or at least have my allies bait them and then come in with a gap closer on Sejuani. Jayce might be a good top against some laners but I still feel he has trouble against ones who can build armor and he gets outdueled and often killed in dives by equally farmed Tryndameres. Irelia and Jax still crush him. I know every top laner has counters but Jayce could at least bear to have a good matchup top. Bot lane his EQ is actually consequential dealing 20-30% of a squishie's life, giving an ally movement speed, and just outdueling AD carries at their weakest. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
She's also not on any pbe patch notes afaik. But she is a support mid so I still get the feeling she's going to get nerfed. She just got nerfed in April, and she's been on PBE patch notes for nerfs in March. Nvm, nerfs likely still coming. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
eventually she will get played more and more when people realize her nerfs didn't ruin her and then get nerfed again, but it'll take awhile. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote: She kinda sucks top vs Jax and Irelia once they get big enough to fight her though and many other uncommon tanky tops like Garen and Volibear destroy her if your ping is just slightly high for one second. I don't have ping problems anymore but I used to and Kayle was monstrously hard to play. Kayle vs Darius is the ultimate test of ping. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:42 chalice wrote: i think lulu is in a good spot, still strong but got nerfed hard enough that the general public tends to underrate and not play her that much. eventually she will get played more and more when people realize her nerfs didn't ruin her and then get nerfed again, but it'll take awhile. Generally the player base follows the pros though and I still saw her in games on Saturday in the LCS. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:10 turdburgler wrote: why isnt static shiv core on lucian? with his passive he stacks it up crazy fast. cuz triforce burst is better, and better mobility in teamfight. On June 04 2014 02:13 turdburgler wrote: why not both Cuz, core is BT-TF-LW, the 4th offensive item choice IE is much better, since his passive gives free AS (essentially), so crit scales insanely well without having to build AS. Stattik shiv might be fine, if you can afford to go 5 offensive items, but if that was the case I rather get a BotRK for insane lifesteal for tankiness, and peel. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:10 turdburgler wrote: why isnt static shiv core on lucian? with his passive he stacks it up crazy fast. What are you going to remove in order to make it core? Lucian doesn't need much attack speed beyond Triforce and Boots 2, which give him +114% level 18 attack speed (a 4% scaler with PD hits +147%) not including masteries. And since Lucian spends a lot of time in abilities animations he doesn't actually get that much from attack speed. With his ult, you get 24.5 shots with BT, Triforce, Zerks, and Shiv. You get 21.8 with BT, Triforce, LW, IE. But IE does 123 per shot for 2680 total damage while Shiv does 105.5 for 2584 total Sure IE is more expensive but its a lot better with your auto attacks (its effective crit value in terms of dps is .5 x current crit + .375 which means that IE effective has 42.5% crit on it if you buy it after Triforce). If you're buying shiv as your 4th offensive item then you're simply going to be too far behind in DPS when it comes to team fights for a completed item build. Its not slot efficient enough BT, Triforce, LW, IE -> The Core high damage items Shiv is much better on champions like Ashe (who can leverage her passive into guaranteed high magic damage burst while also using it to shore up her primary laning and early/mid game weaknesses (by pushing waves and more or less ending the laning phase, or if you're ahead, by abusing the move speed and slow to kite and zone the other AD) | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
As an ADC main I'm really happy with bottom lane champions at the moment. Lucian is kinda really good, but not so good that it makes you hate playing the lane. All the supports are fun to play against, and with. Your damage is nowhere near S2 levels, but it's still pretty good, and you're not getting 100 - 0'd by Zeds all day. I'm really enjoying myself right now. Also been trying to pick up other roles so that I can Solo queue and not free lose everytime I'm not ADC. And I wanted to learn 2 champions for each other role. So far I'm learning: top: Bruiser Nid Jungle: leesin/Kayle Mid: Orianna Support: Gragas Any suggestions for a second champ in each role? | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:13 RagequitBM wrote: Kinda random, but the Jinx discussion a few pages ago made me think about it. As an ADC main I'm really happy with bottom lane champions at the moment. Lucian is kinda really good, but not so good that it makes you hate playing the lane. All the supports are fun to play against, and with. Your damage is nowhere near S2 levels, but it's still pretty good, and you're not getting 100 - 0'd by Zeds all day. I'm really enjoying myself right now. Lucian is totally good enough to make you hate laning against him | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:13 RagequitBM wrote: Kinda random, but the Jinx discussion a few pages ago made me think about it. As an ADC main I'm really happy with bottom lane champions at the moment. Lucian is kinda really good, but not so good that it makes you hate playing the lane. All the supports are fun to play against, and with. Your damage is nowhere near S2 levels, but it's still pretty good, and you're not getting 100 - 0'd by Zeds all day. I'm really enjoying myself right now. Also been trying to pick up other roles so that I can Solo queue and not free lose everytime I'm not ADC. And I wanted to learn 2 champions for each other role. So far I'm learning: top: Bruiser Nid Jungle: leesin/Kayle Mid: Orianna Support: Gragas Any suggestions for a second champ in each role? top: renekton jungle: elise mid: kayle support: thresh. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:22 Nos- wrote: Lucian is totally good enough to make you hate laning against him He's the new Caitlyn. I've learned it doesn't matter what ADC you pick, it will always at best be a 50/50 matchup. Your fun against Lucian in lane is directly proportional to the skill level of your support I think. Unless you completely blow the Lucian out of the water in terms of individual skill. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On June 04 2014 03:24 wei2coolman wrote: top: renekton jungle: elise mid: kayle support: thresh. but renekton blows for carrying games lol | ||
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