On May 27 2014 18:32 Alaric wrote:
Why take a late pick like Jax when you can just pick Nunu? Worst case you get the hilarious level 6 finish when you start channeling Absolute Zero as soon as she ults.

Because scip plays two champions, and one of them is khazix

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

May 27 2014 10:05 GMT

#743

Fiora and Talon have steadily been in the top 10 win-rates soloQ in the last months, I'm pretty sure they're legit.

Am I wrong ?

Slayer91

Ireland23352 Posts

May 27 2014 10:35 GMT

#744

only people who are good at the game and losleb play fiora and talon though

On May 27 2014 18:49 killerdog wrote:

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Because scip plays two champions, and one of them is khazix

fiora just ults after nunu does, fiora has to jump nunu when snowball wears off and then all in next cd i guess but if the ult doesnt kill nunu it shouldn't have been cast in the first place

why not just play something good that reks fiora like probaby jax or something

Osmoses

Sweden5302 Posts

May 27 2014 10:37 GMT

#745

Both have great potential to carry against teams that refuse to respect them.

JazzVortical

Australia1825 Posts

May 27 2014 10:43 GMT

#746

They just seem like solo queue monsters. Snowball hard and can end games quickly vs teams that don't know how to coordinate and shut them down.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

May 27 2014 10:56 GMT

#747

Saint's saying that an extra point in W on Khazix at level 3 or 4 is the way to go and pretty soon everyone's going to start doing it. I gotta say, it does make some sense.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

May 27 2014 11:19 GMT

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GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

May 27 2014 11:28 GMT

#749

On May 27 2014 20:19 krndandaman wrote:

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why is that?

Mostly for the sustain in jungle, but also the clear times should be faster.

loSleb

Austria1389 Posts

May 27 2014 11:37 GMT

#750

On May 27 2014 19:35 Slayer91 wrote:
only people who are good at the game and losleb play fiora and talon though

No need to be repetitive there.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

May 27 2014 11:42 GMT

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GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

May 27 2014 11:53 GMT

#752

On May 27 2014 20:42 krndandaman wrote:

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Only for jungle khazix right?

I see how it would help with dmg/sustain in jungle but seems worse in ganks/duels. Is the tradeoff worth it? I think most khazix's gank and/or duel by the time they are level 4.

Yeah, I doubt it'd make sense for lane Khazix. If you get off 2 non-isolated Q's in a fight, two points in Q will do 20 more damage, but two points in W will heal for 30 more. If one Q is isolated, it's 33.5 more damage.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

May 27 2014 13:07 GMT

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Alaric

France45622 Posts

May 27 2014 13:10 GMT

#754

It was useless math too, because if we're comparing leveling skills, then we look at the base values, not the ratios, unless they change with levels (like Trundle's Bite, Garen's Decisive Strike, Lucian's Piercing Light, etc.).

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

May 27 2014 13:14 GMT

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Alaric

France45622 Posts

May 27 2014 13:24 GMT

#756

But the scaling doesn't change per level, though, even for isolated targets. At least now you'll have an example for next time your friend keeps maxing W first on Renekton "because it's the spell that does the most damage with fury". Well, yeah, buddy, but that's because almost all of it is from your AD, the other two spells actually make you deal more damage total if leveled up instead.

Kenpark

Germany2350 Posts

May 27 2014 13:28 GMT

#757

I see some use in it, when sth goes wrong early, but otherwise I prefer the more damage. At later levels you are missing a lot more damage with 1 point less in q. Dunno I just grab the 1st blue and sustain is not a prob till elder. But I'm just a low gold scrub so what do I know.

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

May 27 2014 14:20 GMT

#758

I don't see how anyone can be defending Rengar right now. There are plenty of champions that, when fed, is hellish to play against. Fed LB, Talon, etc can 100-0 someone extremely quickly and with minimal warning. Being "fed" isn't the factor - Rengar's playstyle is just not healthy for the game since it's got close to no counterplay (and if you think the ! gives counterplay then you're delusional).

You should never be in the middle of your team, then literally disappear without even seeing the enemy champion even with decent warding. The closest you've got is Shaco, but he doesn't have a ridiculously long stealth + MS buff + leap, and he has fewer damage abilities so requires way more items to do the same thing. It's maddening that Riot admits they messed up with many of the resourceless champs, then releases someone who has no mana, stealth, gap closer, snowball mechanic, and ridiculously high burst with no cds between abilities.

Every goddamn champion in the game has "counterplay." Even pre-nerf Kass, release patch Xin, and Khazix pre-W nerf had "counterplay." That's not an excuse to have a bullshit champion.

justiceknight

Singapore5741 Posts

May 27 2014 14:33 GMT

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good job rito, rengar 1 shotted me even if i have so much sustain.

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Alaric

France45622 Posts

May 27 2014 14:40 GMT

#760

Either he outdamaged your sustain, or he oneshot you, but he can't have done both because if he oneshots you you don't have any time to sustain by definition.