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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 24 2014 16:51 GMT
#341
On May 25 2014 01:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 01:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 25 2014 01:24 Sufficiency wrote:
Super biased opinion here: Ashe the best beginner ADC.

This is true. She'll teach you to never play ADC again, therefore easy elo.


Come on Ashe is not *THAT* bad.

She has a lot of challenges against her for sure, but it's not terribly hard to play her at an acceptable level.

I only play Genja Ashe. 3 dblade into muramana + BC, only acceptable build.
liftlift > tsm
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 16:58:41
May 24 2014 16:56 GMT
#342
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...
BW -> League -> CSGO
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 24 2014 16:59 GMT
#343
What I mean is that I usually did better in lane with stuff like Ezreal, Graves, Sivir, etc. than Ashe, Kog, Cait (well I did 0K as Kog post-6 but that's because I spammed R >>).

Without transition, the current competitive meta got me thinking a bit.
I mean, I know it's heavily constricting on the off laner and support pool (mid less so but that's because only a tiny fraction is played regardless of meta ¬¬), however with the new dynamics created by the match-ups, timing of when the tower falls, lane swaps, etc. we start seeing different lane arrangements past the opening stages of the game, with the duo going mid to try and take that tower asap to open up the map, or the support roaming there when the AD can handle the offlaner alone, support+offlaner lanes against the AD+support one to let the offlaner get more farm if he needs that more than experience, etc.

I'm kind of liking it, it gives more variety to the situations, people have been criticising LoL for very long about the cemented positions of offlaner+AP mid+jungler+AD and support. If we could get to a state where offlaning isn't so much based around losing an early tower and freezing to avoid being zoned from farm and keep this variety around it'd be good.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
May 24 2014 16:59 GMT
#344
Lucian is way safer than ashe, easy to understand nukes, an "I fucked up" dash and an ult that lets you put out damage from a very safe distance.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 24 2014 17:15 GMT
#345
On May 25 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...

I don't know how you can say ashe is a safe pick in the league of gap closers.
liftlift > tsm
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 24 2014 17:17 GMT
#346
Well I need to admit I have my own champ for soloqueue free elo ride if I'm given jungle.

Aatrox. So far only 2 loses out of 15 games, shit is goddamn solid. Decent ganks with knockups and slow + good damage, ganking 24/7 + stacking FF a bit, BOTRK, Randuins, Zephyr and there we go.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 24 2014 17:25 GMT
#347
On May 25 2014 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...

I don't know how you can say ashe is a safe pick in the league of gap closers.


because in yolo queue its all about hard engage. people will fuck around, people will get caught. if you have good engage the other team will run scared and you get so many free kills you cant help but win the game. you can get to diamond soley on playing comps with tons of hard engage spells.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 24 2014 17:33 GMT
#348
On May 25 2014 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...

I don't know how you can say ashe is a safe pick in the league of gap closers.

Because in yoloQ a 0/21 Ashe can still win the game with one single strong R.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#349
On May 25 2014 02:33 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 25 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...

I don't know how you can say ashe is a safe pick in the league of gap closers.

Because in yoloQ a 0/21 Ashe can still win the game with one single strong R.

that doesn't make her a safe pick.
liftlift > tsm
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 24 2014 17:40 GMT
#350
http://clgaming.net/live/35002-ryanchoilol

Seraph vs NinFang top
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 24 2014 17:43 GMT
#351
dat old school CLG stream portal, brings me back to the jiji days...
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 24 2014 17:45 GMT
#352


real life tribunal.
liftlift > tsm
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
May 24 2014 18:07 GMT
#353
On May 25 2014 02:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
dat old school CLG stream portal, brings me back to the jiji days...


i wasnt around then but i have to say jijis taste in music is pretty fantastic, his stream is so relaxing. pity about the whole average of 350 viewers thing
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 24 2014 18:23 GMT
#354
http://www.twitch.tv/promisekr
Promise is streaming with an incredible echo if anyone is interested
Glorious SEA doto
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 24 2014 18:26 GMT
#355
On May 25 2014 03:07 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 02:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
dat old school CLG stream portal, brings me back to the jiji days...


i wasnt around then but i have to say jijis taste in music is pretty fantastic, his stream is so relaxing. pity about the whole average of 350 viewers thing


indeed, he even responded to my last.fm request. I got a lot of good stuff from his playlists.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 24 2014 18:34 GMT
#356
I agree Jiji's music is godlike, I open his stream up in the background when I'm playing a lot
Carrilord has arrived.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 24 2014 19:13 GMT
#357
On May 25 2014 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
ashe is probably in my opinion the easiest ad. pretty much always a safe pick, with a pretty fast build up with her passive and has pretty good range. oh, and her ulti is something too...

I don't know how you can say ashe is a safe pick in the league of gap closers.


She isn't but she is I think a good champion to learn ADC on. She has no complicated mechanics while also containing the core of "how to ADC" without leaving anything out. Her laning is also a lot stronger than people think, its much easier to do well on her in lane than it is as Caitlyn if you aren't familiar with the ADC role (or Cait's interactions in general)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 24 2014 19:22 GMT
#358
On May 24 2014 21:06 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 21:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Smartcast everything

I was smartcasting both but it seemed like latency was stopping me from Ward->W instantly, or maybe im just not fast enough yet idk


If you have crap latency then it will look bad on your screen and you have to kind of hope that it works. When I am in Chicago its much more consistent than in Florida.
Freeeeeeedom
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 19:31:39
May 24 2014 19:27 GMT
#359
I feel like Ashe is harder to learn ADC on because she's 100% reliant on positioning and is extremely unforgiving. Cait Ez Graves Lucian all far easier to position with and have escapes. I didn't feel like I knew how to ADC until I understood Caitlyn though, to be honest. Learning to farm perfectly while controlling a wave and slowly harassing and pushing down a tower in complete safety was a big deal for me.

It was just like "you mean... I can not die on adc just by choosing to?"
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 24 2014 19:31 GMT
#360
On May 25 2014 04:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I feel like Ashe is harder to learn ADC on because she's 100% reliant on positioning and is extremely unforgiving. Cait Ez Graves Lucian all far easier to position with and have escapes. I didn't feel like I knew how to ADC until I understood Caitlyn though, to be honest. Learning to farm perfectly while controlling a wave and slowly harassing and pushing down a tower in complete safety was a big deal for me.


I would argue that "harder to be good on" and "better to learn on" are the same thing when the aspect that its harder to achieve is the core of the position.
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