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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 24 2014 02:34 GMT
#301
Leblanc ult damage nerfs hardly means she will be olaf'd? Certainly wont stop her from killing people in a single combo, it will just delay it a bit later into the game.

I mean mimic q and e still does 1.0 ap ratio after nerfs if you get both parts of the spells. Thats pretty okay for an ultimate on that kind of cd...
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 24 2014 04:00 GMT
#302
On May 24 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
Leblanc ult damage nerfs hardly means she will be olaf'd? Certainly wont stop her from killing people in a single combo, it will just delay it a bit later into the game.

I mean mimic q and e still does 1.0 ap ratio after nerfs if you get both parts of the spells. Thats pretty okay for an ultimate on that kind of cd...

those nerfs are really really really hefty. They cut her ultimate damage in half...

I suspect/hope that they'll continue to tune the changes before they go to live, but a 50% damage decrease is going to really really hurt a champion.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
May 24 2014 04:41 GMT
#303
On May 24 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
Leblanc ult damage nerfs hardly means she will be olaf'd? Certainly wont stop her from killing people in a single combo, it will just delay it a bit later into the game.

I mean mimic q and e still does 1.0 ap ratio after nerfs if you get both parts of the spells. Thats pretty okay for an ultimate on that kind of cd...

those nerfs are really really really hefty. They cut her ultimate damage in half...

I suspect/hope that they'll continue to tune the changes before they go to live, but a 50% damage decrease is going to really really hurt a champion.


I think it will bring her in line with other assassins except khazix, who they are also nerfing big time soon, where they have to land all of their abilities on a single target to assassinate them. As of right now hitting both ends of the chain is usually not necessary to guarantee the kill unless you are behind or going after a tank. I think this is a conscious effort because it is exactly the problem they had with fizz. In his prime fizz could ult/dash/trident to insta gib somebody and then troll poll away because he didnt need the damage. This was considered toxic and changed so that now fizz has to use all 4 abilities to secure kills unless WAY ahead.

Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 04:52:24
May 24 2014 04:51 GMT
#304
On May 24 2014 13:41 Velocirapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On May 24 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
Leblanc ult damage nerfs hardly means she will be olaf'd? Certainly wont stop her from killing people in a single combo, it will just delay it a bit later into the game.

I mean mimic q and e still does 1.0 ap ratio after nerfs if you get both parts of the spells. Thats pretty okay for an ultimate on that kind of cd...

those nerfs are really really really hefty. They cut her ultimate damage in half...

I suspect/hope that they'll continue to tune the changes before they go to live, but a 50% damage decrease is going to really really hurt a champion.


I think it will bring her in line with other assassins except khazix, who they are also nerfing big time soon, where they have to land all of their abilities on a single target to assassinate them. As of right now hitting both ends of the chain is usually not necessary to guarantee the kill unless you are behind or going after a tank. I think this is a conscious effort because it is exactly the problem they had with fizz. In his prime fizz could ult/dash/trident to insta gib somebody and then troll poll away because he didnt need the damage. This was considered toxic and changed so that now fizz has to use all 4 abilities to secure kills unless WAY ahead.


what? most of the damage comes from QW and their mimics, chain doesn't really do damage it's there for the slow and root and sometimes to just proc Q. I mean LB did a lot of damage but this kind of nerf is a bit heavy handed.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 05:19:12
May 24 2014 05:18 GMT
#305
I wish they wouldn't gut LeBlanc. She's exactly what an assassin in LoL should be. None of the Zed style splitpush/dive/waveclear/sustain/fill-every-role shit. LeBlanc at least plays the game by finding picks and sniping squishy targets in teamfights.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 24 2014 05:23 GMT
#306
On May 24 2014 14:18 TheLink wrote:
I wish they wouldn't gut LeBlanc. She's exactly what an assassin in LoL should be. None of the Zed style splitpush/dive/waveclear/sustain/fill-every-role shit. LeBlanc at least plays the game by finding picks and sniping squishy targets in teamfights.

But she also does stupid amounts of AoE dmg.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 24 2014 05:34 GMT
#307
LeBlanc would be so much better off if we rolled back time and people didn't know how to waveclear with her.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 24 2014 06:52 GMT
#308
I think LeBlanc W needs a giant cooldown increase and her R should also adjust its cooldown based on what you mimic.

Currently, it's just far too easy for Leblanc to clear waves AND put a ton of pressure on enemy champions all at the same time. If Riot increases her W cooldown, Leblancs will have to make a choice between harassing the enemy champion or potentially losing cs and getting stuck at their tower.
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 07:04:58
May 24 2014 07:03 GMT
#309
give her the ahri treatment and shift some of her damage to chains so its not a 1 point wonder that just procs q/mimic

well it would still be a 1 point wonder... but it would require her to fully combo someone instead of q/r/w = death
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 24 2014 07:17 GMT
#310
I think Riot should have just made LeBlanc's W do reduced damage vs MINIONS and see what happens.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
May 24 2014 07:26 GMT
#311
On May 24 2014 16:17 Sufficiency wrote:
I think Riot should have just made LeBlanc's W do reduced damage vs MINIONS and see what happens.


agree with this.

Reinforce the identity of Leblanc being a champion with a delete key if you get her farmed.......gl getting her farmed. At the moment there is little difference between her clear speeds and any other midlaner.
Forever ZeNEX.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 08:24:24
May 24 2014 08:22 GMT
#312
On May 24 2014 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 14:18 TheLink wrote:
I wish they wouldn't gut LeBlanc. She's exactly what an assassin in LoL should be. None of the Zed style splitpush/dive/waveclear/sustain/fill-every-role shit. LeBlanc at least plays the game by finding picks and sniping squishy targets in teamfights.

But she also does stupid amounts of AoE dmg.


??? hitting more than one person with distortion is less than ideal unless your like Shiphtur vs. CoL levels of far ahead, it's also her lowest damage mimic.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 08:33:30
May 24 2014 08:27 GMT
#313
On May 24 2014 16:26 TyrantPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 16:17 Sufficiency wrote:
I think Riot should have just made LeBlanc's W do reduced damage vs MINIONS and see what happens.


agree with this.

Reinforce the identity of Leblanc being a champion with a delete key if you get her farmed.......gl getting her farmed. At the moment there is little difference between her clear speeds and any other midlaner.


reverting to her old ult might accomplish this, riot would rather do anything other than that though I'm sure

Browsing the red post collection on S@20:

-Kayle range nerf already being backpeddled heavily

-LB Damage nerf likely too strong but mimic damage is still their plan for the time being

-Panth's numbers in ranked look like the ult nerf hasen't hurt him, but he still needs some love to compensate in some other way (holy doublespeak)
Carrilord has arrived.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 24 2014 08:38 GMT
#314
Riot should make panth stun aoe.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 24 2014 08:45 GMT
#315
Just like beta TF, amirite?
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 24 2014 09:20 GMT
#316
On May 24 2014 17:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Just like beta TF, amirite?

when games came down to who could lock gold card in faster
rofl
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 24 2014 11:54 GMT
#317
how the fck do people insec with wards so fast?
is it latency or is there some secret to ward -> insta w?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 24 2014 12:04 GMT
#318
Smartcast everything
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 24 2014 12:06 GMT
#319
On May 24 2014 21:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Smartcast everything

I was smartcasting both but it seemed like latency was stopping me from Ward->W instantly, or maybe im just not fast enough yet idk
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 12:15:06
May 24 2014 12:14 GMT
#320
On May 24 2014 21:06 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 21:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Smartcast everything

I was smartcasting both but it seemed like latency was stopping me from Ward->W instantly, or maybe im just not fast enough yet idk

There's a cast time on wards so you have to be pro. If you mash Ward->W then you have to W again so delay your W a tiny bit and then it'll be very smooth.
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