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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 23 2014 19:06 GMT
#261
On May 24 2014 03:59 Amui wrote:
Riot never learns how devastating range nerfs are. Can pretty much render a champion irrelevant for all time with a simple range nerf.

Soraka as well. Sure. Make sure every single fucking champ can only ever be played in one lane. That makes for a fucking great game.

Elise survived a range nerf just fine along with 50 other nerfs
Moar banelings less qq
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 23 2014 19:08 GMT
#262
On May 24 2014 04:06 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:59 Amui wrote:
Riot never learns how devastating range nerfs are. Can pretty much render a champion irrelevant for all time with a simple range nerf.

Soraka as well. Sure. Make sure every single fucking champ can only ever be played in one lane. That makes for a fucking great game.

Elise survived a range nerf just fine along with 50 other nerfs


Well she is the only champ in the game that can cumshot so obviously no nerfs will hold her back.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 19:13 GMT
#263
On May 24 2014 04:06 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:59 Amui wrote:
Riot never learns how devastating range nerfs are. Can pretty much render a champion irrelevant for all time with a simple range nerf.

Soraka as well. Sure. Make sure every single fucking champ can only ever be played in one lane. That makes for a fucking great game.

Elise survived a range nerf just fine along with 50 other nerfs

that was also the nerf that made her unplayable in top lane.
liftlift > tsm
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 23 2014 19:17 GMT
#264
On May 24 2014 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 04:06 IamPryda wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:59 Amui wrote:
Riot never learns how devastating range nerfs are. Can pretty much render a champion irrelevant for all time with a simple range nerf.

Soraka as well. Sure. Make sure every single fucking champ can only ever be played in one lane. That makes for a fucking great game.

Elise survived a range nerf just fine along with 50 other nerfs

that was also the nerf that made her unplayable in top lane.

She was still played top it was when they hit her mana cost and spiders
Moar banelings less qq
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
May 23 2014 19:26 GMT
#265
Why wouldn't they just go "Hey kayles aa now counts as melee even when e active, kkthx."? Stops stupid broken build and changes virtually nothing else. I doubt hydra kayle would become a thing
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#266
Mallet Kayle not looking too skrong either
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:08:57
May 23 2014 20:02 GMT
#267
On May 24 2014 04:26 Badboyrune wrote:
Why wouldn't they just go "Hey kayles aa now counts as melee even when e active, kkthx."? Stops stupid broken build and changes virtually nothing else. I doubt hydra kayle would become a thing

This actually used to be the case. IIRC they changed it because of it's interaction with Ghostblade.

V1.0.0.106:

Kayle now counts as a ranged attacker while using Righteous Fury.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 23 2014 20:11 GMT
#268
On May 24 2014 05:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 04:26 Badboyrune wrote:
Why wouldn't they just go "Hey kayles aa now counts as melee even when e active, kkthx."? Stops stupid broken build and changes virtually nothing else. I doubt hydra kayle would become a thing

This actually used to be the case. IIRC they changed it because of it's interaction with Ghostblade.

Show nested quote +
V1.0.0.106:

Kayle now counts as a ranged attacker while using Righteous Fury.

was it ghostblade or because of tiamat at the time?

there are so many more ranged/melee interactions now than when it was changed.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:15:54
May 23 2014 20:15 GMT
#269
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 23 2014 20:22 GMT
#270
Simple, clear purpose and principles give rise to complex intelligent behavior. Complex rules and regulations give rise to simple stupid behavior.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 23 2014 21:04 GMT
#271
On May 24 2014 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.

I couldn't remember if that change happened before or after people started experimenting with tiamat before it got changed. there was like a 2 weak period you could see people trying tiamat on everyone that could use it because it was cost efficient before its splash came into effect.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 23 2014 21:12 GMT
#272
On May 24 2014 06:04 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.

I couldn't remember if that change happened before or after people started experimenting with tiamat before it got changed. there was like a 2 weak period you could see people trying tiamat on everyone that could use it because it was cost efficient before its splash came into effect.

what no..
cost efficient with a bunch of stats no one needed like health regen and mana regen
literally no one got tiamat except for trolls before they remade it
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 23 2014 21:14 GMT
#273
On May 24 2014 03:16 IMoperator wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/28445-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-5-23-2014-braum

i guess riot listened to all the QQ about leblanc. she's literally getting olaf'd, it was nice knowing her.

finally i feel like the term "gutted" should be used.
taking literally half of leblancs damage away from her spells is pretty lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 23 2014 21:24 GMT
#274
On May 24 2014 06:14 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:16 IMoperator wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/28445-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-5-23-2014-braum

i guess riot listened to all the QQ about leblanc. she's literally getting olaf'd, it was nice knowing her.

finally i feel like the term "gutted" should be used.
taking literally half of leblancs damage away from her spells is pretty lol


Well they could have done tiny steps but then they should have started that quite a while ago. The BS that is LB has gone on far too long to take it slow now to be honest, and Riot knows that too.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 23 2014 21:34 GMT
#275
On May 24 2014 03:16 IMoperator wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/28445-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-5-23-2014-braum

i guess riot listened to all the QQ about leblanc. she's literally getting olaf'd, it was nice knowing her.


I can't imagine these changes actually going through.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 21:39:53
May 23 2014 21:37 GMT
#276
On May 24 2014 06:12 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 06:04 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 24 2014 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.

I couldn't remember if that change happened before or after people started experimenting with tiamat before it got changed. there was like a 2 weak period you could see people trying tiamat on everyone that could use it because it was cost efficient before its splash came into effect.

what no..
cost efficient with a bunch of stats no one needed like health regen and mana regen
literally no one got tiamat except for trolls before they remade it

tiamat was 50 ad for 2070 gold with 15 hp/5 and 5 mp/5 tacked on. that's only slightly less cost efficient for damage than long swords 3 hp/second and 1 mana/second is useful for laning. this was the same time period everyone was getting philo stones because of how good the regen was in lane, otherwise they'd be grabbing the other gold gain items. it was quite good for laning. but it was dead ended and not slot efficient and the splash didn't accelerate farm enough to justify it in a game that was based around snowballing your gold lead as much as you can. especially since the end game items were all more cost efficient than almost every dead end item.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 21:54:54
May 23 2014 21:54 GMT
#277
On May 24 2014 06:37 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 06:12 arb wrote:
On May 24 2014 06:04 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 24 2014 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.

I couldn't remember if that change happened before or after people started experimenting with tiamat before it got changed. there was like a 2 weak period you could see people trying tiamat on everyone that could use it because it was cost efficient before its splash came into effect.

what no..
cost efficient with a bunch of stats no one needed like health regen and mana regen
literally no one got tiamat except for trolls before they remade it

tiamat was 50 ad for 2070 gold with 15 hp/5 and 5 mp/5 tacked on. that's only slightly less cost efficient for damage than long swords 3 hp/second and 1 mana/second is useful for laning. this was the same time period everyone was getting philo stones because of how good the regen was in lane, otherwise they'd be grabbing the other gold gain items. it was quite good for laning. but it was dead ended and not slot efficient and the splash didn't accelerate farm enough to justify it in a game that was based around snowballing your gold lead as much as you can. especially since the end game items were all more cost efficient than almost every dead end item.

still doesnt change the fact no one bought it
ever

2k gold for 50 ad + a tiny splash is retarded in the first place. had no active, didnt have the huge cleave it does now, and didnt have the upgrade into a semi decent item.
This is in the era of sunfire cape stacking when you did that on almost every hero anyway.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 22:16:58
May 23 2014 22:14 GMT
#278
2k gold for 50 AD was just bad back then because that was when BF Swords still gave 50 AD and all BF items were costed according to this.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 23 2014 22:17 GMT
#279
On May 24 2014 06:37 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 06:12 arb wrote:
On May 24 2014 06:04 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 24 2014 05:15 TheYango wrote:
Nobody bought Tiamat at the time because it was the old Tiamat that had the tiny AoE and everyone thought it was terrible. Rageblade+Ghostblade Kayle was enough of a thing for Riot to nerf that interaction.

Kayle also got remade like twice since then.

I couldn't remember if that change happened before or after people started experimenting with tiamat before it got changed. there was like a 2 weak period you could see people trying tiamat on everyone that could use it because it was cost efficient before its splash came into effect.

what no..
cost efficient with a bunch of stats no one needed like health regen and mana regen
literally no one got tiamat except for trolls before they remade it

tiamat was 50 ad for 2070 gold with 15 hp/5 and 5 mp/5 tacked on. that's only slightly less cost efficient for damage than long swords 3 hp/second and 1 mana/second is useful for laning. this was the same time period everyone was getting philo stones because of how good the regen was in lane, otherwise they'd be grabbing the other gold gain items. it was quite good for laning. but it was dead ended and not slot efficient and the splash didn't accelerate farm enough to justify it in a game that was based around snowballing your gold lead as much as you can. especially since the end game items were all more cost efficient than almost every dead end item.

why wouldn't you just get a bf at that point for like 1600
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 23 2014 22:18 GMT
#280
not really sure why they are nerfing base and scaling damage on the LeBlanc changes, pretty sure half base damage is enough.
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