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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 19 2014 16:44 GMT
#1841
WW pretty good at punishing retards who overextend.Still remember one game where enemy ww got super fed and one shot me with his ult through heal lol(had flare/wits).
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 19 2014 17:01 GMT
#1842
On May 20 2014 01:40 SagaZ wrote:
Jarvan, jarvan, why does everyone forgets about jarvan

'cause the nerf to his EQ makes it way harder to hit multiple people in fights.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2014 17:13 GMT
#1843
On May 20 2014 01:00 Alaric wrote:
Nope, I've seen Sejuani and Amumu picked several times since my Elo dropped from high to mid Gold though. That surprised me, since I never saw them apart from the lone Amumu in the last months. Not sure if it's because of the current meta or just my Elo drop, though.
I tried jungling Sejuani in a normal with lower-level friends recently and I decided not to touch her with a 10-foot pole because she's painfully slow at clearing (slower than Vi) and reliant on people to actually follow up on what you do, which is exactly what I want to avoid.

Noc's my secondary jungler but the Flare nerf didn't help him and I'm not at ease yet with his kit (easy to escape his ult ganks if Flash is up, esp. bot, and partially because of the delay on E, and I don't feel like expanding a 180s cd just to set up a kill later; Xin's more reliable in that sense but I'm bad at him). I'm still keeping him because he scales well and as decent utility with his mobility post-6 and his spellshield.


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 00:23 Slayer91 wrote:
im sure you have a really hard time alaric jungling in gold 3 where apparently its too hard to win with udyr in a bad team comp and your laners all fuck up if you dont gank before 6

Can't remember where I was when I dropped Udyr last season, but 2nd picking him and watching the other 3 go "oh they're picking Renekton Ziggs Cait and Lulu, time to pick Ezreal Sona and LB [pre-ult buff and the grail-W max build] and never ever try to hard engage or catch them" made for really fun games spent trying to soak up poke or flank and see the other 4 still cowering under tower.
I actually mentioned it at some point and you quoted the post accusing me of finding excuses, 'cause sure as hell I should have all 3 lanes pushed to enemy t3s and out-clear Ziggs or Lux without even trying as Udyr.

Thing is I'm bad at carrying. That's it, I won't go 10-0 ever, I won't 1v5, I won't be the silent hero with 0 kills but most damage done to champions in the post-game screen.
I climbed by playing a more supportive style where I'd create a ton of space in lane when playing support, or abusing my game sense and the fact that I time a ton of stuff (many less people did it in s3) to put my lanes ahead as a jungler and have them carry me. Top I often got leads but lacked the execution to convert them into kills (recurring motif in my "shit at snowballing/carrying") so I focused on drawing jungler attention and not dying from it.

Vi exemplified it well in the assassin meta because I'd go top at level 3-4 to try and burn a flash/chase off the enemy jungler/give room to my laner, farm to 6, then focus on mid, timing enemy ult cd so I'm there when it's available and I ganked as soon as he committed, punishing aggro botlanes the same way, and putting a lot of emphasis on taking objectives like enemy buffs and drakes to retain tempo.
In all these cases, Vi was reliable, and the aggro meta meant that her being shit at chasing/an ult bot was made up for the FotM picks' high damage.

In the current meta I can't abuse junglers as well because s4 gave us the trash "comeback" mechanics making any attempts at setting the enemy jungler back a waste of time, while mid becomes passive and riddled with safe picks clearing from afar (Ziggs, LB) or generally hard to kill (Lulu), while botlane moved from Barrier+Ignite to Heal+Exhaust or even double Heal, Soraka is popular, and Vi's damage and ult cd have been nerfed.
What makes Vi bad in that context is that she isn't reliable anymore. Previously, even if it was Fizz or Ahri, the way the meta went they'd be killable anyway because of how bursty/aggressive everything was. Now you may burn a 130s cd just to see the other guy burn Heal, escape, and even stay in lane afterwards. Meanwhile the enemy jungler farms some camps and sets on outscaling you.

Because I need my teammates to carry me and rely on setting them up for it, reliability is precisely what I need.
Especially now that my Elo took a nosedive and it's painfully obvious how worse everyone is.

That's why I'm hesitant to pick up Xin (because he's more execution-reliant than others and I'm even badder at that than the rest) or Udyr (because while he's autonomous in the jungle he's the kind of champ that can get screwed over by bad comps). When I'm thinking of picking up a new jungler to replace Vi who went from meh to currently straight-up bad, I'm looking for that reliability to find something that supports my playstyle, simply because it's easier than to relearn another playstyle that won't suit me as well (and needs me to improve a fuckton before it yields results on top of it).


I feel you should give Amumu another shot. Especially after the FF nerf, he is really good.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
May 19 2014 17:22 GMT
#1844
On May 20 2014 02:01 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 01:40 SagaZ wrote:
Jarvan, jarvan, why does everyone forgets about jarvan

'cause the nerf to his EQ makes it way harder to hit multiple people in fights.

I'm really happy people still think J4 is weak. His EQ isn't abusively wide now: the nerf mostly just affected the bullshit knockups and not any situation where you aimed it correctly.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 19 2014 17:26 GMT
#1845
On May 20 2014 02:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 02:01 Alaric wrote:
On May 20 2014 01:40 SagaZ wrote:
Jarvan, jarvan, why does everyone forgets about jarvan

'cause the nerf to his EQ makes it way harder to hit multiple people in fights.

I'm really happy people still think J4 is weak. His EQ isn't abusively wide now: the nerf mostly just affected the bullshit knockups and not any situation where you aimed it correctly.


EQ being harder to hit makes him weaker, that's a fact. I think he's in a pretty good spot though, especially after the small buffs he got recently. And dunking people is so much fun :#
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2014 17:44 GMT
#1846
I dunno. I'm sorta happy everytime I see a j4 on enemy team. If they get kills early on, they get greedy and rush hydra and lw and get popped in team fight. If they fall behind they're utterly useless. If they build defensively, they don't defensively scale as hard as other junglers/toplaners. So their late game is suspect.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 19 2014 18:06 GMT
#1847
On May 20 2014 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:
then man up and flash bear stun someone or split push or something jesus alaric just because you can come up with a reason why something is hard doesn't mean you're right

What?
Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
May 19 2014 18:12 GMT
#1848
On May 20 2014 03:06 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:
then man up and flash bear stun someone or split push or something jesus alaric just because you can come up with a reason why something is hard doesn't mean you're right

What?


What?
aka Teutonica
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 19 2014 18:53 GMT
#1849
TSM invitional EU grand finals, yet another set between G2 and NiP http://www.twitch.tv/tsmtournaments/popout
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 19 2014 18:58 GMT
#1850
On May 19 2014 21:58 Sufficiency wrote:
I thought there is a rune page sale??? Where did that go...


The rune page sale is set for later this week, or early next week? I don't remember the exact date/times, but they basically said, "the rune page sale goes from X to Y, if you don't buy during this time you're an idiot."
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 19 2014 19:04 GMT
#1851
hahaha that lvl 1 by gamers2
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 19 2014 19:05 GMT
#1852
Oh wow I'm so upset freeze survived that, #tsmbigplays
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 19 2014 19:08 GMT
#1853
This game :D NiP pls
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2014 19:23 GMT
#1854
That red steal from the thresh was pretty impressive. rofl.
liftlift > tsm
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 19 2014 19:25 GMT
#1855
Did they have any vision or did he just try to randomly hook someone? Anyway, I wonder how well that team would do with a better midlaner than Ocelote, or maybe they are just looking good against NiP :^)
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 19 2014 19:26 GMT
#1856
Yuuki/Dioud/Morden are good. Jwaow too inconsistent, ocelote too ocelote.
Glorious SEA doto
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 19 2014 19:29 GMT
#1857
Dunno I like Jwaow more and more as I watch G2 games, I would take him over Mimer or Youngbuck (or Alex, hue)
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 19 2014 19:29 GMT
#1858
On May 20 2014 04:26 Fusilero wrote:
Yuuki/Dioud/Morden are good. Jwaow too inconsistent, ocelote too ocelote.


Dioud managed to make aAa almost look like an LCS-caliber team for a bit. Kinda bummed he's stuck on G2 now.
SUNSFANNED
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 19:32:17
May 19 2014 19:30 GMT
#1859
On May 20 2014 04:29 AlterKot wrote:
Dunno I like Jwaow more and more as I watch G2 games, I would take him over Mimer or Youngbuck (or Alex, hue)

Jwaow has his highlights but his lowlights are looooooow. Yesterday he went something like 0/4/0 and got his CS tripled as lulu vs alex's kayle.
Oi yuuki, when I'm praising you don't yoloflash like that
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2014 19:32 GMT
#1860
LOL fucking k0u is so fucking stupid. thank god freeze got the last hit on the baron. that was so fucking dumb. like bronze 5 baron from k0u.
liftlift > tsm
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