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On May 20 2014 04:35 JonGalt wrote:
Holy fuck Alaric. You overthink things far too much for your skill level. I enjoy reading your posts (especially when I'm NFL blitzed), probably more than most, because the level of detail is the closest I can get to actually playing, or hell even watching the game. But you need to stop thinking about the meta, team comps, champions and just play the fucking game.
I can't wait to get back in December and climb to diamond so fast you posers are gonna consider moving to Africa for two years just so you can improve. I know EXACTLY the mindset Teut talks about because that wasn't league of legends mentality, that's just a healthy fucking view on life.
Teut dropped some god damn knowledge and most of you jabronis and if I was him I'd ban everyone under diamond 5 for 30 days just so they'd stop QQing and play the fucking game.
Wanna get better? Play inhouses. Play in the noob league. Duo with a friend who is better than you. Swallow your pride and take some criticism from the replay analysis thread. Ion't give a fuck, but quit clogging up my one connection to the game I love with your stupid ass crying.
I have read every GD post in the past twenty months and it's fucking hilarious how many of you have gone literally nowhere in your rankings. Obviously there's IRL shit or maybe you just play for fun, but if you've been trying to climb for the past two years and haven't gone anywhere - maybe it's time for a change.
Buncha fucking nincompoops, the lot of you.
#Teut4Mod
ps RIP roffles. Abrasive and intelligent, a dangerous combination.
pps TSM TSM TSM
This post is perfect. Exactly how I feel when reading GD.
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United States47024 Posts
Oh yeah, I also have no clue what the fuck Alaric is trying to talk about when he says he's "abusing his game sense".
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I think it's possible to be bad at carrying for sure. When I was still in Bonze/low Silver I would often get a MASSIVE lead over everyone, and proceed to piss it away because I did not know how to use it.
As a random example when I used to get fed on ADC, I would end up worrying so much about not getting killed that I ended up dancing in circles for half of teamfights to stay out of range. Even though the teams had nothing that could stop me I would waste SO much time that it didn't matter and my team basically was fighting a 4v5. Or I would 1v2 dive under a tower when the enemies were low and give them shut down gold.
Lee Sin was a champ I refused to play in ranked for almost all of S3 because plainly I had no idea what to do with him when ahead. I would almost every game get super fed, kill the enemy jungle lvl 2, deny almost all early/mid game buffs, etc. When when it came time to carry my builds were bad, my positioning was awful, I ALWAYS picked the wrong target, and just ended up jumping in and dying horribly. This season I made it a point to learn his late game and it's been ok, but I still avoid him in most ranked games. I'm getting better, but if you give me a 10/0/0 Lee Sin or a 10/0/0 Elise, I will win many more games with the Elise.
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Your first example with ADC is just you being bad at positioning and knowing how to teamfight.
"Bad at carrying" is just so incredibly vague and doesn't say jack.
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Yea I don't know if I would use that term. I'd classify it more under "incorrectly using a lead" or something, idk.
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I don't get how that's not just indicative of not being a good enough player.
Like, how is losing games when you're 10-0 but winning games when you're 5-0 or 2-0 indicative of some particular deficiency in your play and not just indicative of the other players in your 5-0 and 2-0 games being better players and carrying you? If you can't use large advantages, why would you somehow be able to use smaller ones except in the case where your teammates are less terrible?
Like, in my mind, the skillset you're using to win the game when you're ahead by a lot is the same as the one you're using in other scenarios, it's just that you have more personal control over the outcome of the game.
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I mean, I'm bad at playing heavy damage dealing positions. When I'm protecting or initiating I tend to do far better than by constantly auto-ing or landing spell combos... is that "bad at carrying"?
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On May 20 2014 05:18 Diamond wrote:
I think it's possible to be bad at carrying for sure. When I was still in Bonze/low Silver I would often get a MASSIVE lead over everyone, and proceed to piss it away because I did not know how to use it.
As a made up and random example when I used to get fed on ADC, I would end up worrying so much about not getting killed that I ended up dancing in circles for half of teamfights to stay out of range. Even though the teams had nothing that could stop me I would waste SO much time that it didn't matter and my team basically was fighting a 4v5. Or I would 1v2 dive under a tower when the enemies were low and give them shut down gold.
Lee Sin was a champ I refused to play in ranked for almost all of S3 because plainly I had no idea what to do with him when ahead. I would almost every game get super fed, kill the enemy jungle lvl 2, deny almost all early/mid game buffs, etc. When when it came time to carry my builds were bad, my positioning was awful, I ALWAYS picked the wrong target, and just ended up jumping in and dying horribly. This season I made it a point to learn his late game and it's been ok, but I still avoid him in most ranked games. I'm getting better, but if you give me a 10/0/0 Lee Sin or a 10/0/0 Elise, I will win many more games with the Elise.
I think this is entirely wrong. If you get a massive lead and piss it away that's not a sign of being unable to carry but rather being bad at the game.
Your example of not getting killed as ADC is a mark of being bad at the game. There is no such thing as being bad at carrying. You're either good at the game or you're bad at the game.
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Tier lists are so weird, RoG/Stonewall has Zac listed as a T1 AP Damage jungle (what?) and a T1 tank jungle. Did I miss something recently? Naut is a T1 jungle too? Wut?
On May 20 2014 05:25 Legitimacy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 05:18 Diamond wrote:
I think it's possible to be bad at carrying for sure. When I was still in Bonze/low Silver I would often get a MASSIVE lead over everyone, and proceed to piss it away because I did not know how to use it.
As a made up and random example when I used to get fed on ADC, I would end up worrying so much about not getting killed that I ended up dancing in circles for half of teamfights to stay out of range. Even though the teams had nothing that could stop me I would waste SO much time that it didn't matter and my team basically was fighting a 4v5. Or I would 1v2 dive under a tower when the enemies were low and give them shut down gold.
Lee Sin was a champ I refused to play in ranked for almost all of S3 because plainly I had no idea what to do with him when ahead. I would almost every game get super fed, kill the enemy jungle lvl 2, deny almost all early/mid game buffs, etc. When when it came time to carry my builds were bad, my positioning was awful, I ALWAYS picked the wrong target, and just ended up jumping in and dying horribly. This season I made it a point to learn his late game and it's been ok, but I still avoid him in most ranked games. I'm getting better, but if you give me a 10/0/0 Lee Sin or a 10/0/0 Elise, I will win many more games with the Elise.
I think this is entirely wrong. If you get a massive lead and piss it away that's not a sign of being unable to carry but rather being bad at the game. Your example of not getting killed as ADC is a mark of being bad at the game. There is no such thing as being bad at carrying. You're either good at the game or you're bad at the game.
Fair enough, whatever. I don't overly give a shit about the topic anyways, just was bored waiting to drive my Dad to cards in a bit.
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On May 20 2014 05:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I'm bad at playing heavy damage dealing positions. When I'm protecting or initiating I tend to do far better than by constantly auto-ing or landing spell combos... is that "bad at carrying"?
No, that's just being bad. Not autoing is bad, not hitting skillshots is bad, there is no such thing as bad at carrying. It's just something that bad players like to hide behind because they're too insecure to realize that they're actually bad at the game.
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"Creating space for your lane and timing buffs"
is a way of saying "I'm not particularly useful on support but I don't feed and pick up assists and tell people how to add 6 to any number so I clearly helped us win the game"
"Abusing game sense" "I don't get caught as much as the other 4/5th of my team combined, i notice when there are 5 people missing"
"Drawing jungle pressure top lane"
= "I don't feed top lane"
all a good way of saying "I am skilled enough to pull my weight in a team of equal elos but if someone feeds I lose because I am only average"
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On May 20 2014 05:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I'm bad at playing heavy damage dealing positions. When I'm protecting or initiating I tend to do far better than by constantly auto-ing or landing spell combos... is that "bad at carrying"?
no.
you're just bad with champions that have low health but deal big damages.
that's vastly different than getting like 5 kills in lane as jax, and not knowing how to translate that into a team win.
I just prefer playing beefier champs with lots of utility. Much more forgiving in terms of losing lane, and slower reaction times.
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On May 20 2014 05:25 Diamond wrote:
Tier lists are so weird, RoG/Stonewall has Zac listed as a T1 AP Damage jungle (what?) and a T1 tank jungle. Did I miss something recently?
Stonewall's an idiot and his jungle tier list are completely irrelevant and useless.
My guess on what people really mean when they say "bad at carrying" is rather "bad at teamfighting" and/or "bad at making lategame decisions."
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It's called being bad at the game.
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Damn this thread got hella negative. Wtf?
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On May 20 2014 05:28 Diamond wrote:
Damn this thread got hella negative. Wtf?
Jimmies are rustled cause euw is down.
I am happy though loss prevented makes up for the torture of playing my last game at least LOL
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On May 20 2014 05:26 Slayer91 wrote:
"Creating space for your lane and timing buffs"
is a way of saying "I'm not particularly useful on support but I don't feed and pick up assists and tell people how to add 6 to any number so I clearly helped us win the game"
"Abusing game sense" "I don't get caught as much as the other 4/5th of my team combined, i notice when there are 5 people missing"
"Drawing jungle pressure top lane"
= "I don't feed top lane"
all a good way of saying "I am skilled enough to pull my weight in a team of equal elos but if someone feeds I lose because I am only average"
So basically "I can't gain elo because I'm average for my elo"
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On May 20 2014 05:28 Diamond wrote:
Damn this thread got hella negative. Wtf?
Don't worry, someone just told slayer to adopt the "lf you don't have idra macro, minimum, you cannot be helped" mentality.
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On May 20 2014 05:22 TheYango wrote:
I don't get how that's not just indicative of not being a good enough player.
Because "good enough" is a general descriptor where "not understanding how to use a lead" actually might lead to progress in getting better. At any point you can say you lost because you weren't "Good enough" but actually drilling down to where the deficiency is matters.
Were you a support and didn't understand when/why/where you should have been peeling? Are you an AD and losing despite being ahead because you're not pressing your advantage? Do you get ahead on early game junglers and not force objectives?
Seeing that you lose more games when you're way ahead than you should lose (or that you piss away the lead) is a good indicator of where you can get better. Its not as good a descriptor of the issue as more specific ones which have already been examined but its still better than "not good enough"
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I feel like the word "bad" is being thrown around quite a bit here without context.
If you say a gold player is "bad", what does that mean? Is he bad compared to the Top .1%? Bad compared to silver? Bad compared to bronze? Remember a MASSIVE amount of the LoL playerbase is Silver or below, being gold alone means you are either REALLY lucky with teamates (go play the lotto if you are that lucky), or you are better than most LoL players.
Anyone that below LCS level isn't just "bad", they are "bad" when compared to that level.
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