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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
I was wondering if someone better then me could help me practice lane match ups in the top lane. I wanna practice cause I got a ranked team I play with and its semi-serious. I'm plat 5 at the moment, I got to Diamond 5 last season and started playing for fun in ranked and dropped quite a bit. Oh and im NA server If anyone would be interested PM me or something thx  | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Why dont you just play pant/lee/elise/eve if you want to gank early and snowball? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On May 20 2014 00:23 Slayer91 wrote: im sure you have a really hard time alaric jungling in gold 3 where apparently its too hard to win with udyr in a bad team comp and your laners all fuck up if you dont gank before 6 BTW Slayer I just wanna say that really long post you had about changing your mind set was fucking gold. Completely spot on and is basically how I went up from silver 1 to D5 in one season playing lots of inhouses and only focusing on my mistakes in a game and how i could of played better. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
and thanks zdraoyche for tl+ btw | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On May 19 2014 18:46 739 wrote: I once invaded Diana at red, as Lee... I died. Moon Lady doesn't have time for your shenanigans. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/reloadtv Looks like he's just chilling in the Greek scene for now. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 19 2014 23:55 Alaric wrote: Problem is if I try not ganking till 6 in Gold III (demotions OP, I'm bad at carrying so when I'm dumb and play on week-ends I'm at the shitters' mercy) you can bet they're all going to fuck up one way or the other and I'll have to salvage the lanes more than putting them ahead (they already do it even when I try ganking asap). Then again Vi's first clear is meh and she gets oom fast as heck w/o spirit stone, and Nocturne gets oom rather fast without blue so even on him I'd have to work on my recall timing. I'm thinking about what to pick up to replace Vi with the meta shitting on her questionable kit. - I like Mundo and he farms pretty fast once he gets going with a decent scaling, but he's vulnerable early on and I'm not sure if my lanes would know how to handle it (plus since I got demoted from Gold I my AD gives any help at all less than half my games, even when I mention being able to do more with a hard pull (such a going red to red if I can save smite; Vi and Nocturne get a bit slower and burn ne more pot, but I'm not sure if Mundo can handle it). - Shyvana could fit the farming the jangle style but no good early ganks, so can random mid-Gold handle it. - Xin would take quite some time to pick up because I'm bad at stutter-stepping, and getting in position for flanks in soloQ is way too random once again (plus with how bad my positioning in general is, I'd have trouble doing it without mobis and I don't like how squishy they make you). - WW has the reliablity I like for ganks post-6 (Vi can't chase for shit and Nocturne's delay on E + nerf on fears in general hurts), may try picking him up. - Udyr farms fast, ganks 0K, man fights and dives super well, not to mention his ability to escape ambushes (sure Vi has "mobility" but the charging mechanic on her Q makes her actually horrendous at leaving a melee). I always liked him but last time I stopped picking him was because soloQers' propensity to see an Udyr 1st-2nd pick and proceed to draft a team that wouldn't outpush a Poppy boggled my mind time and again. Not sure if it's worth using him as a main over a pocket pick. Curiously, do you play Noc/Mummy/Pig/Pony? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I tried jungling Sejuani in a normal with lower-level friends recently and I decided not to touch her with a 10-foot pole because she's painfully slow at clearing (slower than Vi) and reliant on people to actually follow up on what you do, which is exactly what I want to avoid. Noc's my secondary jungler but the Flare nerf didn't help him and I'm not at ease yet with his kit (easy to escape his ult ganks if Flash is up, esp. bot, and partially because of the delay on E, and I don't feel like expanding a 180s cd just to set up a kill later; Xin's more reliable in that sense but I'm bad at him). I'm still keeping him because he scales well and as decent utility with his mobility post-6 and his spellshield. On May 20 2014 00:23 Slayer91 wrote: im sure you have a really hard time alaric jungling in gold 3 where apparently its too hard to win with udyr in a bad team comp and your laners all fuck up if you dont gank before 6 Can't remember where I was when I dropped Udyr last season, but 2nd picking him and watching the other 3 go "oh they're picking Renekton Ziggs Cait and Lulu, time to pick Ezreal Sona and LB [pre-ult buff and the grail-W max build] and never ever try to hard engage or catch them" made for really fun games spent trying to soak up poke or flank and see the other 4 still cowering under tower. I actually mentioned it at some point and you quoted the post accusing me of finding excuses, 'cause sure as hell I should have all 3 lanes pushed to enemy t3s and out-clear Ziggs or Lux without even trying as Udyr. Thing is I'm bad at carrying. That's it, I won't go 10-0 ever, I won't 1v5, I won't be the silent hero with 0 kills but most damage done to champions in the post-game screen. I climbed by playing a more supportive style where I'd create a ton of space in lane when playing support, or abusing my game sense and the fact that I time a ton of stuff (many less people did it in s3) to put my lanes ahead as a jungler and have them carry me. Top I often got leads but lacked the execution to convert them into kills (recurring motif in my "shit at snowballing/carrying") so I focused on drawing jungler attention and not dying from it. Vi exemplified it well in the assassin meta because I'd go top at level 3-4 to try and burn a flash/chase off the enemy jungler/give room to my laner, farm to 6, then focus on mid, timing enemy ult cd so I'm there when it's available and I ganked as soon as he committed, punishing aggro botlanes the same way, and putting a lot of emphasis on taking objectives like enemy buffs and drakes to retain tempo. In all these cases, Vi was reliable, and the aggro meta meant that her being shit at chasing/an ult bot was made up for the FotM picks' high damage. In the current meta I can't abuse junglers as well because s4 gave us the trash "comeback" mechanics making any attempts at setting the enemy jungler back a waste of time, while mid becomes passive and riddled with safe picks clearing from afar (Ziggs, LB) or generally hard to kill (Lulu), while botlane moved from Barrier+Ignite to Heal+Exhaust or even double Heal, Soraka is popular, and Vi's damage and ult cd have been nerfed. What makes Vi bad in that context is that she isn't reliable anymore. Previously, even if it was Fizz or Ahri, the way the meta went they'd be killable anyway because of how bursty/aggressive everything was. Now you may burn a 130s cd just to see the other guy burn Heal, escape, and even stay in lane afterwards. Meanwhile the enemy jungler farms some camps and sets on outscaling you. Because I need my teammates to carry me and rely on setting them up for it, reliability is precisely what I need. Especially now that my Elo took a nosedive and it's painfully obvious how worse everyone is. That's why I'm hesitant to pick up Xin (because he's more execution-reliant than others and I'm even badder at that than the rest) or Udyr (because while he's autonomous in the jungle he's the kind of champ that can get screwed over by bad comps). When I'm thinking of picking up a new jungler to replace Vi who went from meh to currently straight-up bad, I'm looking for that reliability to find something that supports my playstyle, simply because it's easier than to relearn another playstyle that won't suit me as well (and needs me to improve a fuckton before it yields results on top of it). | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Youtube video] + Reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25y821/6_points_for_understanding_dragons_offense/ | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Ichtyornis
9 Posts
Do you max W or E second ? More gameplay-wise, are his pre-6 ganks good enough or do you just farm up till you get your ult ? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 20 2014 01:20 Ichtyornis wrote: You guys talking about Skarner made me want to try it. Fidlun's build seems to work but what's the build up ? Lizard/IBG/tank stuff or do you go tanky first and delay the IBG ? Do you max W or E second ? More gameplay-wise, are his pre-6 ganks good enough or do you just farm up till you get your ult ? Lizard-IBG-Tank (usually Spirit Visage to max out CDR, Randuins etc.) max W second, I take my first point in E at lvl8 his pre-6 ganks are terrible, not worth unless you are 100% sure you know what you're doing | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On May 19 2014 23:08 Scip wrote: The build is copied from me, of course it's good I think Fildun just realized that ganking pre-6 is very rarely a good idea and hasn't tried it with other junglers yet which is why skarner seems op to him skarner isn't terrible but he isn't a firstpick material my any stretch of the imagination Well I'm still sticking to my pre6 ganking ways, but that's just because it's so goddamn easy to pick up kills with him at this ELO. I recently hit level 6 at 5:00 and that was not because I was AFK farming. Killerdog can be my proof that ganking pre6 works. Although if every lane dies anyways even though I give them kills it gets pretty hard. About my masteries, yeah they're inefficient but I just did some random shit with 10 seconds left. And then stuck with it cuz it felt good. | ||
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Ichtyornis
9 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On May 20 2014 01:20 Ichtyornis wrote: You guys talking about Skarner made me want to try it. Fidlun's build seems to work but what's the build up ? Lizard/IBG/tank stuff or do you go tanky first and delay the IBG ? Do you max W or E second ? More gameplay-wise, are his pre-6 ganks good enough or do you just farm up till you get your ult ? Lizard-merc treads-IBG-SV, banshees, randuins or sunfire (pick 2 or 3), flash upgrade boots enchantment (this one is pretty important). Max W second, you can get E at level 4 or scip it until later if you're just farming. | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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