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On May 19 2014 15:50 Diamond wrote:As for having the lanes push, I'm sort of assuming in my videos this is typical low level solo que where everyone ignores you or fucks up what you say. It's why I did it on my Silver account, figured no one would collapse, however that Yasuo was a beast. It's 100% a cheese however that is true. 9 pool ftw. Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 15:49 Gahlo wrote:It's amusing how easily reddit is writing this off. I liked that one guy, "never would work on Plat+". I point out I learned it form watching OddOne die to it countless times, "Well OddOne is sloppy". Like solo que players aren't... lol <3
This will never work against me so I don't have to worry about it.
Yeah, and then it does. Dingus.
The sad thing is the Reddit is always crying for things like this, only to have them shoved away. I've had this happen to me a few times, though I've only adjusted to trinking the side bush to defend against it and even then only against common strong early duelists. I'll be sure to modify my route due to this video.
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If the lanes don't push and solos don't respond then there's no point doing this. Even at low levels they'll know to push if you tell them. If no one comes and you have to chase then you'll have to suicide even if you get the first blood so it's really not worth it. Back when first bloods were worth more and two buffs gets you lv3, this was a better a risk to take.
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On May 19 2014 15:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If the lanes don't push and solos don't respond then there's no point doing this. Even at low levels they'll know to push if you tell them. If no one comes and you have to chase then you'll have to suicide even if you get the first blood so it's really not worth it. Back when first bloods were worth more and two buffs gets you lv3, this was a better a risk to take.
Unless it's something weird like WW they will be so low you can just demolish them. Kha'Zix is always my favorite example. That dude gets super low @ red no matter what you run on him. I always ask my lanes to push (and should have mentioned it in the video, I straight forgot) however. However when I'm on my main or smurf every time I ask someone to push they A: just don't, or B: screw up the push and set themselves behind a bunch of cs and still arrive too late. Honestly that Yasuo in that video is one of the VERY few that did it right, I should have noted that too.
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On May 19 2014 15:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If the lanes don't push and solos don't respond then there's no point doing this. Even at low levels they'll know to push if you tell them. If no one comes and you have to chase then you'll have to suicide even if you get the first blood so it's really not worth it. Back when first bloods were worth more and two buffs gets you lv3, this was a better a risk to take.
You'd be surprised at how many people at low level don't want to push for fear of the big bad jungler, even at the safest of times. 0 map awareness and 0 communication.
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You're asking people to push at lv1, not lv2, bot lanes will push at lv1 by default. It's whoever's solos get lv2 first that has the advantage. Also you have to see what solo matchups you have, you can't do this with a weak vs. strong early mid. I don't think khazix should be getting low, but at low level everyone jungles slower and gets lower because of not potting consistently and lack of basic jungle mechanics. I used to this a lot but the higher I was the more factors I had to consider. Also junglers should be trinketing their 2nd buff every time. I trinket the brush behind red so I can see an invade even earlier.
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There's no possible way to keep Kha'Zix healthy on his 1st small camp > 2nd buff camp. He's the easiest to pop aside for Eve.
I agree on the trinket on 2nd buff and explain it, however I have ran into someone that warded correctly one time ever (the far bush on red) while pulling the buff into the bush.
On May 19 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
You're asking people to push at lv1, not lv2
Don't doubt people ability in solo que to fuck up any simple request, although I mentioned this is something I should have added. My videos are for lower levels only, very doubtful anyone Plat+ will get anything out of this, but stats wise they are the grand minority of LoL players.
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I don't know what they're doing then, Khazix is one of the highest damage lv2 junglers, you should be pretty healthy before doing your red.
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As a jungler I've been invaded like that many times, it's only worked when its something like Lee with super chasing power at level 2. Most of the time if I ward properly, and pot properly, then you can see them coming from a mile away. I don't think its a good idea at all unless you are playing those mega deadly level 2 junglers.
with less scary junglers it comes down to a smite off followed by me walking out. If they lose the smite then they are in a really bad delayed position, plus they are in my jungle. Its just really chancy and is basically all about the midlaner reactions. In my experience in soloq its way easier to get your mid to move down to help you defend your buff than it is to get your mid to run into their jungle to contest. I think its just too risky and coinflip unless you are udyr or lee etc.
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On May 19 2014 16:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't know what they're doing then, Khazix is one of the highest damage lv2 junglers, you should be pretty healthy before doing your red.
Not AS you are doing the red however. The key is to hit during the red. Short of some really specialized tank runes/masteries I haven't seen used, Kha'Zix gets very low while doing red and takes about 10 secs after to let his pots recover. With Lee (with 15ad runes) he gets so low a Q>Q will often one shot them.
On May 19 2014 16:17 sob3k wrote:
Most of the time if I ward properly
That's where most people fail at this. The idea of the video is to provide information about how to both do and stop it. I have done this invade 100+ times now, and only had one single player ward it out correctly. Two times I have hit mids that warded for it, but you get there early enough that you should notice the mid collapsing long before the jungler is in the danger range.
Edit: Off to bed, thanks for checking it out TL. Going to make one tomorrow about understanding dragon's offense. Sounds stupid, but I actually learned some stuff when I was looking up info for the video.
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On May 19 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music. You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream.
I don't know if I agree with that. Kripparian, Trump, Lirics, Voyboy, Cosmo, Siglemic, Lethalfrag, SivHD all don't listen to music, and are some of the most popular streamers on twitch right now. I really dont think music is what attracts people to streams generally. Or has any effect whatsoever.
Edit: Voyboy is an Ex-twitcher but when he was on twitch
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On May 19 2014 16:28 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music. You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream. I don't know if I agree with that. Kripparian, Trump, Lirics, Voyboy, Cosmo, Siglemic, Lethalfrag, SivHD all don't listen to music, and are some of the most popular streamers on twitch right now. I really dont think music is what attracts people to streams generally. Or has any effect whatsoever. Edit: Voyboy is an Ex-twitcher but when he was on twitch
I don't know about the others, but I've always found Trump and Krip to be very vocal while streaming. The more a player talks the less their stream needs music. When I watch Dyrus' steam, I can only take so long before I get bored of him not talking unless he is duoing. If he didn't have music I most likely wouldn't bother.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Guardsman Bob had awesome rock music on stream and had shitload of viewers back then.
What happened to him btw?
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On May 19 2014 16:37 739 wrote:
Guardsman Bob had awesome rock music on stream and had shitload of viewers back then.
What happened to him btw?
He died.
I laughed. I think he stopped because he wasn't getting the viewer numbers he needed to continue, or he said fuck it and joined a militia to invade a neighboring country.
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On May 19 2014 16:37 739 wrote:
Guardsman Bob had awesome rock music on stream and had shitload of viewers back then.
What happened to him btw?
I think people just stopped watching him when he started to tryhard. :I I remember enjoying his stream when it was WW mid and all that fun stuff, then at some point he just became an ADC main that tryharded 100% of the time.
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the only stream with high elo music is pobelter, and jiji too before he started listening to weird anime stuff.
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I never watch a stream that has music.
You can't choose the music yourself, the quality is often bad and you can't adjust the volume on music and streamers voice independently.
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On May 19 2014 16:28 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music. You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream. I don't know if I agree with that. Kripparian, Trump, Lirics, Voyboy, Cosmo, Siglemic, Lethalfrag, SivHD all don't listen to music, and are some of the most popular streamers on twitch right now. I really dont think music is what attracts people to streams generally. Or has any effect whatsoever. Edit: Voyboy is an Ex-twitcher but when he was on twitch
I don't know who half those people are, but Voyboy definitely has music on his stream. I didn't say that you have to play music or nobody will watch your stream, but it definitely can help. I'm much more likely to stay on someone's stream if they're playing stuff I like.
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On May 19 2014 16:02 Diamond wrote:There's no possible way to keep Kha'Zix healthy on his 1st small camp > 2nd buff camp. He's the easiest to pop aside for Eve. I agree on the trinket on 2nd buff and explain it, however I have ran into someone that warded correctly one time ever (the far bush on red) while pulling the buff into the bush. Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
You're asking people to push at lv1, not lv2 Don't doubt people ability in solo que to fuck up any simple request, although I mentioned this is something I should have added. My videos are for lower levels only, very doubtful anyone Plat+ will get anything out of this, but stats wise they are the grand minority of LoL players.
I feel like Wukong is really easy to destroy too. He actually gets pretty low tbh.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
I once invaded Diana at red, as Lee... I died.
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When I played jungle Mundo last season, every time I was at my second buff I'd be thinking "I hope nobody's invading or they'll just one shot me."
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