• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:30
CEST 18:30
KST 01:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down9ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier3Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League52Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164
StarCraft 2
General
Evil Geniuses - shutting down REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage [ASL22] Grand Finals
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6770 users

[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 89

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 87 88 89 90 91 115 Next
Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

Future of TL LoL, post Liquid`Dota standalone site
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 19 2014 05:16 GMT
#1761
On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music.


You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
May 19 2014 05:19 GMT
#1762
On May 19 2014 13:54 TyrantPotato wrote:
For the love of god tribunal needs to come to OCE already -.-.



I don't think it is, at least not in it's current form. Didn't you read that news post?
@miicah88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2014 05:25 GMT
#1763
On May 19 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music.


You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream.


Or..........................................

I can just play the music myself from Grooveshark instead of being forced to listen whatever the streamer has.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 05:28:49
May 19 2014 05:27 GMT
#1764
On May 19 2014 14:05 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 13:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:24 arb wrote:
On May 19 2014 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I had an Udyr going 9-0 in a game once. We still lost because he chose to build a Trinity Force instead of tank items.

Triforce is absolutely core on Udyr though. Your damage goes through the roof with it lol. Triforce -> Tank best way to play him tbh.


Makes no difference when you can't even touch anyone because the opposing team has a plethora of ways to slow/stun you.

everyone has this idea about him, myself included, but i'm not sure it's applicable anymore. his E has seen some substantial changes since he was last considered a popular or competitive pick.


I think against certain teams (and with certain teams), getting TF or anything that remotely resembles a damage item on Udyr is simply not an option. This similarly apply to some other champions (Nasus in particular).

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 19 2014 05:32 GMT
#1765
On May 19 2014 14:27 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:05 chalice wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:24 arb wrote:
On May 19 2014 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I had an Udyr going 9-0 in a game once. We still lost because he chose to build a Trinity Force instead of tank items.

Triforce is absolutely core on Udyr though. Your damage goes through the roof with it lol. Triforce -> Tank best way to play him tbh.


Makes no difference when you can't even touch anyone because the opposing team has a plethora of ways to slow/stun you.

everyone has this idea about him, myself included, but i'm not sure it's applicable anymore. his E has seen some substantial changes since he was last considered a popular or competitive pick.


I think against certain teams (and with certain teams), getting TF or anything that remotely resembles a damage item on Udyr is simply not an option. This similarly apply to some other champions (Nasus in particular).


If you arent behind theres no reason not to get triforce on him. you have a spammable shield as it is, you can actually get away with a damage item where most jungles cant tbh.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 19 2014 05:36 GMT
#1766
On May 19 2014 14:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:
On May 19 2014 11:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The whole music on stream thing is a gimmick anyway. I am here to watch someone playing games, not listening to music.


You not being interested in the music doesn't make it a gimmick. People like listening to music, and it's one of the things that attracts people to a stream.


Or..........................................

I can just play the music myself from Grooveshark instead of being forced to listen whatever the streamer has.


Maybe you like their music taste? Maybe you want to listen to something you haven't heard before? Maybe you don't have a large music library yourself? If you mute the stream, you also can't hear their mic. It's just part of the experience.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
May 19 2014 05:37 GMT
#1767
On May 19 2014 14:27 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:05 chalice wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:24 arb wrote:
On May 19 2014 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I had an Udyr going 9-0 in a game once. We still lost because he chose to build a Trinity Force instead of tank items.

Triforce is absolutely core on Udyr though. Your damage goes through the roof with it lol. Triforce -> Tank best way to play him tbh.


Makes no difference when you can't even touch anyone because the opposing team has a plethora of ways to slow/stun you.

everyone has this idea about him, myself included, but i'm not sure it's applicable anymore. his E has seen some substantial changes since he was last considered a popular or competitive pick.


I think against certain teams (and with certain teams), getting TF or anything that remotely resembles a damage item on Udyr is simply not an option. This similarly apply to some other champions (Nasus in particular).



I disagree. A fed udyr that early can easily snowball with a TF. You just don't use him to initiate. He flanks and basically destroys their backline.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 19 2014 05:40 GMT
#1768
On May 19 2014 14:37 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:27 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 14:05 chalice wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:24 arb wrote:
On May 19 2014 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I had an Udyr going 9-0 in a game once. We still lost because he chose to build a Trinity Force instead of tank items.

Triforce is absolutely core on Udyr though. Your damage goes through the roof with it lol. Triforce -> Tank best way to play him tbh.


Makes no difference when you can't even touch anyone because the opposing team has a plethora of ways to slow/stun you.

everyone has this idea about him, myself included, but i'm not sure it's applicable anymore. his E has seen some substantial changes since he was last considered a popular or competitive pick.


I think against certain teams (and with certain teams), getting TF or anything that remotely resembles a damage item on Udyr is simply not an option. This similarly apply to some other champions (Nasus in particular).



I disagree. A fed udyr that early can easily snowball with a TF. You just don't use him to initiate. He flanks and basically destroys their backline.

If you're picking Udyr as an initiator you should just pick someone else in the first place. He isnt an initiator and hasn't been since forever
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2014 05:51 GMT
#1769
On May 19 2014 14:37 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:27 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 14:05 chalice wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 19 2014 13:24 arb wrote:
On May 19 2014 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I had an Udyr going 9-0 in a game once. We still lost because he chose to build a Trinity Force instead of tank items.

Triforce is absolutely core on Udyr though. Your damage goes through the roof with it lol. Triforce -> Tank best way to play him tbh.


Makes no difference when you can't even touch anyone because the opposing team has a plethora of ways to slow/stun you.

everyone has this idea about him, myself included, but i'm not sure it's applicable anymore. his E has seen some substantial changes since he was last considered a popular or competitive pick.


I think against certain teams (and with certain teams), getting TF or anything that remotely resembles a damage item on Udyr is simply not an option. This similarly apply to some other champions (Nasus in particular).



I disagree. A fed udyr that early can easily snowball with a TF. You just don't use him to initiate. He flanks and basically destroys their backline.


I really hate this kind of argument though. "If you are fed, do X" simply does not seem like good justification for anything, since once you are ahead you have more room for errors (including possible itemization errors). Just ask Darian's dcap Shyvana.

In any case, my experience with playing Udyr myself is actually pretty limited. But I did play a fair share of Skarner, WW, and Nasus which (IMO) share some of the same challenge as Udyr. I have never played a game, lost it, and go "oh man if I just built a <insert damage item here> I would have won that game". Never. I have only felt that I lost games because I got greedy and built too many damage items.

Again this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me. But IMO the easiest way to throw a game (regardless if you are ahead or not) on a "tank" with no gap closers is to build TF or any other damage item with no sustain.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 19 2014 06:06 GMT
#1770
if you're fed as jungler, go damage... you're not gonna win fights by tanking the other team to death.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 06:09:01
May 19 2014 06:08 GMT
#1771
On May 19 2014 14:51 Sufficiency wrote:
I really hate this kind of argument though. "If you are fed, do X" simply does not seem like good justification for anything, since once you are ahead you have more room for errors (including possible itemization errors). Just ask Darian's dcap Shyvana.


Are you serious right now?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 19 2014 06:15 GMT
#1772
On May 19 2014 15:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 14:51 Sufficiency wrote:
I really hate this kind of argument though. "If you are fed, do X" simply does not seem like good justification for anything, since once you are ahead you have more room for errors (including possible itemization errors). Just ask Darian's dcap Shyvana.


Are you serious right now?

Well, to an extent it's true. Flat out being ahead can do wonders for covering small mistakes. However, Dcap Shyv is an abomination that should never seen light.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2014 06:24 GMT
#1773
Dcap Shyvana isjust a hyperbole to show a point... the point being that once you are ahead you can make less optimal choices and still win just by the virtue of already being ahead, e.g. how Darian won that game even though he built dcap on Shyvana.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 06:32:04
May 19 2014 06:29 GMT
#1774
I decided randomly at 2 in the morning I need to make LoL videos for lower level players. Won't blow anyone's mind here at TL (as you all likely know about this), but I would appreciate if you could check it out! Might help out some lower level players I think.

Here's a reddit thread for it: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25x82d/the_level_2_invade_every_league_of_legends_player/

Direct link:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 06:34:33
May 19 2014 06:34 GMT
#1775
sorry i misread that as if you are ahead there's more opportunity to make errors. Since season 1 the principle has always been to build damage in order to carry. Team comps don't kick in until everyone has their items and you fight 5v5 which is later in the game.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2014 06:39 GMT
#1776
I upvoted it, but no matter how I see it, you won the exchange because you managed to outsmite the Warwick. If WW manage to Smite it instead he would put you in an awkward situation which you might die or at least burn flash.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 19 2014 06:41 GMT
#1777
On May 19 2014 15:39 Sufficiency wrote:
I upvoted it, but no matter how I see it, you won the exchange because you managed to outsmite the Warwick. If WW manage to Smite it instead he would put you in an awkward situation which you might die or at least burn flash.


I have like 20 replays from the last week alone of it working with and without the smite win. As an example Kha'Zix gets SUPER low on red, and you don't even need to get theirs to kill their ass. I maybe should have showed a better example, but the Kha'Zix ones are super boring as Lee/Shyv just one shot his ass right away. Was trying to get some time to explain, also that early ward I wanted to talk about.

Thank you for the upvote, I made this like in 20 mins so I know it's FAR from perfect. <3
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 06:49:13
May 19 2014 06:48 GMT
#1778
you generally only wanna go red to red if you are a mobile and high damage lv2 jungler, such as lee, xin, kha, etc. You also should tell the two lanes that border enemy red to push early so they can aid you. You also need to be watching the minimap to see if enemy lanes disappear, which is less likely if they're pushed in. Sometimes it's better if you just show yourself mid and gank, push, then go there with your mid laner. If you think the other jungler knows, it's best to just leave asap. If the other jungler does wraiths first you should go to the brush opposite of the red brush and wait there instead. I actually wouldn't suggest doing this at lower levels especially against a jungler like warwick who is hard to kill, if only because your lanes will never respond in time. If you fail this, you will be very behind but vice versa, it's very gimmicky and the higher you go the less likely it should work.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 19 2014 06:49 GMT
#1779
On May 19 2014 15:29 Diamond wrote:
I decided randomly at 2 in the morning I need to make LoL videos for lower level players. Won't blow anyone's mind here at TL (as you all likely know about this), but I would appreciate if you could check it out! Might help out some lower level players I think.

Here's a reddit thread for it: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25x82d/the_level_2_invade_every_league_of_legends_player/

Direct link:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9rZzu8oSLs

It's amusing how easily reddit is writing this off.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 06:51:54
May 19 2014 06:50 GMT
#1780
As for having the lanes push, I'm sort of assuming in my videos this is typical low level solo que where everyone ignores you or fucks up what you say. It's why I did it on my Silver account, figured no one would collapse, however that Yasuo was a beast.

It's 100% a cheese however that is true. 9 pool ftw.

On May 19 2014 15:49 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 15:29 Diamond wrote:
I decided randomly at 2 in the morning I need to make LoL videos for lower level players. Won't blow anyone's mind here at TL (as you all likely know about this), but I would appreciate if you could check it out! Might help out some lower level players I think.

Here's a reddit thread for it: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/25x82d/the_level_2_invade_every_league_of_legends_player/

Direct link:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9rZzu8oSLs

It's amusing how easily reddit is writing this off.


I liked that one guy, "never would work on Plat+". I point out I learned it form watching OddOne die to it countless times, "Well OddOne is sloppy". Like solo que players aren't... lol

<3
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Prev 1 87 88 89 90 91 115 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1855
JuggernautJason11
mouzHeroMarine 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33303
Calm 2055
Shuttle 932
Horang2 663
Rush 563
BeSt 262
actioN 247
Leta 228
Soulkey 226
firebathero 167
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 118
Mind 79
EffOrt 55
Hm[arnc] 43
Hyun 36
Free 34
ToSsGirL 26
Shine 26
Terrorterran 23
Rock 17
Bishop 16
Aegong 16
Sacsri 16
HiyA 16
JYJ 10
yabsab 10
Dota 2
qojqva3735
Fuzer 126
Counter-Strike
fl0m1007
byalli661
x6flipin318
Other Games
Gorgc3427
B2W.Neo1077
hiko1041
Beastyqt601
ceh9510
FrodaN438
RotterdaM236
Hui .162
KnowMe147
ToD129
Trikslyr47
QueenE39
fpsfer 1
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 40
• Hinosc 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 6
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2455
League of Legends
• Jankos2072
• TFBlade848
Other Games
• Shiphtur652
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
18h 30m
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
OSC
1d 6h
FEL
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
FEL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.