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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 02:21:33
May 08 2014 02:16 GMT
#61
On May 08 2014 11:15 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 11:11 ketchup wrote:
I like the idea of having a map where everything there is an even distribution of action throughout the game, rather than how Riot is doing right now. Which essentially breaks down to: Early game -> fight around Dragon, Late game -> fight around Baron. It's not bad. I just think it could be improved?

If you consider this to be a problem, it's a more deep-rooted one than just changing objective spawns would fix.


I agree. This is why I said earlier that it might be highlight problems with the SR map in general, and force them to change it around. I wouldn't be against that happening. It would be so difficult to do, so I don't really see it happening. I can't imagine Riot trying to change a large portion of their map at this point, and potentially lose player base over it. It doesn't stop me from thinking about different changes though
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
May 08 2014 02:22 GMT
#62
Lol they have 0 fucking clue what to do. Now we are back to early S3 with everyone having a ward to start the game and the complete removal of fastpush strats.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 08 2014 02:32 GMT
#63
My nexus was at 100 HP. Came back. Won the game.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 08 2014 02:39 GMT
#64
On May 08 2014 11:22 miicah wrote:
Lol they have 0 fucking clue what to do. Now we are back to early S3 with everyone having a ward to start the game and the complete removal of fastpush strats.

They don't want fast pushes, they don't want 2v1's. They basically want 1/1/2 lanes and they are willing to do whatever it takes in order to accomplish this, however inelegant and unintuitive.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2014 02:40 GMT
#65
On May 08 2014 11:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 11:22 miicah wrote:
Lol they have 0 fucking clue what to do. Now we are back to early S3 with everyone having a ward to start the game and the complete removal of fastpush strats.

They don't want fast pushes, they don't want 2v1's. They basically want 1/1/2 lanes and they are willing to do whatever it takes in order to accomplish this, however inelegant and unintuitive.

heh, at this point they should try to clone TSM's team. the perfect meta. TSM meta.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 08 2014 02:53 GMT
#66
On May 08 2014 08:27 Ryuu314 wrote:

The one thing I don't get about this whole ordeal is why supports didn't revert back to consumable starts. I get that it does put you behind the other support if you open consumables and they open with a gold item, but pro players still somehow made that transition in Season 2.



On May 08 2014 08:37 xes wrote:

The new gold items give (slightly?) more gold than the old philo/hog, and you can get them immediately instead of starting rejuv. They also build into items that generate even more gold. Also, trinkets exist.



I think its more of the fact that you have no idea what the other support is buying + support meta champs. (Also, you couldn't ever get a full item, just mediocre components in S2/3).

If you knew the enemy support was going for coin, you might start wards, or if you are Thresh, because Thresh doesnt give a f***.

If you arent in those situations you are probably Leona, or facing Leona/Thresh. You really don't want to have less HP than a Leona/Thresh for all ins, or be a Leona/Thresh initiating all ins without stats, plus you are probably a poke champ that needs to be a threat to deter said all ins. If the meta was towards supports that are more controlled in lane like Janna/Lulu/Nami occupying the top slots you would see a lot more wards starts, because even though 2/3 of those can bully, good players can usually work around that. Nothing will get you zoned worse than being a Wards-Only support vs. Leona or Thresh with Dshield or even Talisman.

In general, the problem with Lol's earlygame is that the Fog is so incredibly strong.
Freeeeeeedom
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 08 2014 03:08 GMT
#67
On May 08 2014 11:53 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 08:27 Ryuu314 wrote:

The one thing I don't get about this whole ordeal is why supports didn't revert back to consumable starts. I get that it does put you behind the other support if you open consumables and they open with a gold item, but pro players still somehow made that transition in Season 2.



Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 08:37 xes wrote:

The new gold items give (slightly?) more gold than the old philo/hog, and you can get them immediately instead of starting rejuv. They also build into items that generate even more gold. Also, trinkets exist.



I think its more of the fact that you have no idea what the other support is buying + support meta champs. (Also, you couldn't ever get a full item, just mediocre components in S2/3).

If you knew the enemy support was going for coin, you might start wards, or if you are Thresh, because Thresh doesnt give a f***.

If you arent in those situations you are probably Leona, or facing Leona/Thresh. You really don't want to have less HP than a Leona/Thresh for all ins, or be a Leona/Thresh initiating all ins without stats, plus you are probably a poke champ that needs to be a threat to deter said all ins. If the meta was towards supports that are more controlled in lane like Janna/Lulu/Nami occupying the top slots you would see a lot more wards starts, because even though 2/3 of those can bully, good players can usually work around that. Nothing will get you zoned worse than being a Wards-Only support vs. Leona or Thresh with Dshield or even Talisman.

In general, the problem with Lol's earlygame is that the Fog is so incredibly strong.


What what you're saying is that CV should be a summoner again so you can CV their fountain?
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 08 2014 03:10 GMT
#68
On May 08 2014 12:08 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 11:53 cLutZ wrote:
On May 08 2014 08:27 Ryuu314 wrote:

The one thing I don't get about this whole ordeal is why supports didn't revert back to consumable starts. I get that it does put you behind the other support if you open consumables and they open with a gold item, but pro players still somehow made that transition in Season 2.



On May 08 2014 08:37 xes wrote:

The new gold items give (slightly?) more gold than the old philo/hog, and you can get them immediately instead of starting rejuv. They also build into items that generate even more gold. Also, trinkets exist.



I think its more of the fact that you have no idea what the other support is buying + support meta champs. (Also, you couldn't ever get a full item, just mediocre components in S2/3).

If you knew the enemy support was going for coin, you might start wards, or if you are Thresh, because Thresh doesnt give a f***.

If you arent in those situations you are probably Leona, or facing Leona/Thresh. You really don't want to have less HP than a Leona/Thresh for all ins, or be a Leona/Thresh initiating all ins without stats, plus you are probably a poke champ that needs to be a threat to deter said all ins. If the meta was towards supports that are more controlled in lane like Janna/Lulu/Nami occupying the top slots you would see a lot more wards starts, because even though 2/3 of those can bully, good players can usually work around that. Nothing will get you zoned worse than being a Wards-Only support vs. Leona or Thresh with Dshield or even Talisman.

In general, the problem with Lol's earlygame is that the Fog is so incredibly strong.


What what you're saying is that CV should be a summoner again so you can CV their fountain?


The new meta would just be wait for CV, then refund and realbuy
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 08 2014 03:20 GMT
#69
On May 08 2014 12:08 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 11:53 cLutZ wrote:
On May 08 2014 08:27 Ryuu314 wrote:

The one thing I don't get about this whole ordeal is why supports didn't revert back to consumable starts. I get that it does put you behind the other support if you open consumables and they open with a gold item, but pro players still somehow made that transition in Season 2.



On May 08 2014 08:37 xes wrote:

The new gold items give (slightly?) more gold than the old philo/hog, and you can get them immediately instead of starting rejuv. They also build into items that generate even more gold. Also, trinkets exist.



I think its more of the fact that you have no idea what the other support is buying + support meta champs. (Also, you couldn't ever get a full item, just mediocre components in S2/3).

If you knew the enemy support was going for coin, you might start wards, or if you are Thresh, because Thresh doesnt give a f***.

If you arent in those situations you are probably Leona, or facing Leona/Thresh. You really don't want to have less HP than a Leona/Thresh for all ins, or be a Leona/Thresh initiating all ins without stats, plus you are probably a poke champ that needs to be a threat to deter said all ins. If the meta was towards supports that are more controlled in lane like Janna/Lulu/Nami occupying the top slots you would see a lot more wards starts, because even though 2/3 of those can bully, good players can usually work around that. Nothing will get you zoned worse than being a Wards-Only support vs. Leona or Thresh with Dshield or even Talisman.

In general, the problem with Lol's earlygame is that the Fog is so incredibly strong.


What what you're saying is that CV should be a summoner again so you can CV their fountain?


Eh. That would just be the same because you waste a key summoner slot. Its really hard because of how LOL works to think of a decent "solution", other than nerfing the all-in supports to the ground.
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 08 2014 03:20 GMT
#70
On May 08 2014 10:04 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i honestly feel like the biggest change this patch is removing the yellow border from champs that aggro you

it is one of the things that keeps you in lane in hard matchups

no more anticipating leblanc combo and shunpoing out of the way


I didn't even realise that this existed. Maybe I did subconsciously. Crazy stuff.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2014 03:36 GMT
#71
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 08 2014 03:44 GMT
#72
On May 08 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.

Check espn's Monday night football numbers vs when it was on networks.

Azubu is simply paying vast sums of money to try and build a brand.
Freeeeeeedom
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 03:48:27
May 08 2014 03:46 GMT
#73
On May 08 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.


money money money money money. own3d almost made it happen, but we all know what happened with them. The biggest problem is azubu's website sucks while own3d attempted to improve on what they felt was lacking on twitch.tv(if i remember correctly)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 08 2014 03:57 GMT
#74
On May 08 2014 12:46 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.


money money money money money. own3d almost made it happen, but we all know what happened with them. The biggest problem is azubu's website sucks while own3d attempted to improve on what they felt was lacking on twitch.tv(if i remember correctly)

i honestly don't think azubu website is that bad.

it's more the fact that practically no one but CLG streams and they don't stream all that often. So what happens is people go on Azubu, sees no streamers, think the website sucks 'cause they can't find any livestreams when the problem is that there's literally just no one streaming.

Twitch monopoly too big. Uncle Sam pls.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 08 2014 04:17 GMT
#75
Curse is on Azubu. Saint streams fairly often, and I saw Quas and Voyboy on there today as well.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 08 2014 04:19 GMT
#76
god damn that panth and rengar skins look bad ass
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 04:29:24
May 08 2014 04:21 GMT
#77
On May 08 2014 12:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 12:46 ketchup wrote:
On May 08 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.


money money money money money. own3d almost made it happen, but we all know what happened with them. The biggest problem is azubu's website sucks while own3d attempted to improve on what they felt was lacking on twitch.tv(if i remember correctly)

i honestly don't think azubu website is that bad.

it's more the fact that practically no one but CLG streams and they don't stream all that often. So what happens is people go on Azubu, sees no streamers, think the website sucks 'cause they can't find any livestreams when the problem is that there's literally just no one streaming.

Twitch monopoly too big. Uncle Sam pls.

they have a lot of the lol pro teams.

Curse, Azubu, CLG, Fnatic and Roccat
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
May 08 2014 04:37 GMT
#78
On May 08 2014 12:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 12:46 ketchup wrote:
On May 08 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
so confused as to why teams would sign up with azubu, it just looks like it hurts their viewership so hard.


money money money money money. own3d almost made it happen, but we all know what happened with them. The biggest problem is azubu's website sucks while own3d attempted to improve on what they felt was lacking on twitch.tv(if i remember correctly)

i honestly don't think azubu website is that bad.

it's more the fact that practically no one but CLG streams and they don't stream all that often. So what happens is people go on Azubu, sees no streamers, think the website sucks 'cause they can't find any livestreams when the problem is that there's literally just no one streaming.

Twitch monopoly too big. Uncle Sam pls.


Two issues I have with the website currently: To watch HD, I need to sign in. I don't really see a reason why they won't let me watch hd without signing in. It doesn't really make sense to me. I still don't see a pop out option for streams(granted they might have added it in since I last checked, but a quick glance doesn't show me one still.)

As for your bolded point, that is a pretty huge problem for a streaming website..
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 08 2014 04:57 GMT
#79
Is Doomtrobo and Hashinshin the same person?
They both cry alot
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 08 2014 05:26 GMT
#80
This Azubu thingy... if I want to stream, can I stream there?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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