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On April 29 2014 01:31 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 01:24 xes wrote:On April 29 2014 01:14 Mikau wrote:On April 28 2014 22:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Of all the terrible ways to think about competitive League (and there are many), EV might be one of the worst lol.
Collapsed lungs suck but apparently they're not as serous as it sounds and are actually "common." One of my friends had it, and we all freaked out and he basically said it's common for young men who are tall because their lungs are often stretched too much when they're growing and eventually one pops or something. It sounds scary but he said he just couldn't take a plane for a year or so and was otherwise fine? o.o? So hopefully he'll be fine.
Sucks that C9 won't be able to get stomped at All-Star's with their full roster and people will just use this as an excuse for why NA blows huehuehue. On April 28 2014 22:04 Keniji wrote:On April 28 2014 21:15 Mikau wrote:On April 28 2014 20:38 Keniji wrote:On April 28 2014 20:27 Mikau wrote:
In my experience (and the amount of anti-snowballing mechanics currently in the game suggest this as well) somebody doing badly decreases your winchance by more than somebody doing well increases it. If that is true then going into lane to not lose might be the bigger +EV play. How to you plan to win a game if everyone's goal is just not to lose? Or do you rely on your team to be better than their counterparts while you just stay even? How could you consider that a good player - as in, one of the best? Besides, your goal is not to go 50:50 win/lose instead of 100% even. So +EV doens't really makes sense. I don't think you know what EV means. Playing to not lose isn't the same as playing to go even. It just means minimizing the amount of high risk/high reward plays and instead take the low risk/low reward play. You can still play better than your counterpart and show it, it just likely won't show in flashy plays and a lot of kills/deaths, but in smaller things like towers taken/tower damage, experience leads and minion kill leads. Taking small safe 100% advantages instead of making huge towerdives that have potential to fail and give your opponents first blood, or snowball into objectives, or whatever. I do know what EV means. Playing to win is not herp derp tower dive with a 50% chance to succeed. And when you say playing not to lose instead of playing to win is +EV because a lead is less significant then being behind (which is weird in itself, as there can't be one without the other) then you assume playing to win turns into being behind as often as being ahead. The expected outcome of playing to win is determined on how good the player is in regards to his opponent I would assume. So yea, playing not to lose might be best if you are mediocre, and are fine with getting the best out of being mediocre. But you are not able to have a huge impact on the game. I do not think that is a mindset professional players should have, especially not those that strive to be the best (in their region). edit: But it probably all comes down to the definiton of "playing not to lose" and "playing to win" anyway. If all you guys have against the argument are strawmen you shouldn't have bothered to respond at all. Minimizing variance through tons of "safe" and "consistent" play isn't the same thing as maximizing expected value. Which still doesn't change the fact that expected value is a terrible way to think about this game, as if you wanted to model this, you'd have perturbations everywhere, in both the distribution and the value function, effectively meaning that the determination of "expected value" matters less with the decision you make and more with the parameters estimated. I never said that by playing safe and consistent you were trying to maximise EV. In fact, remove the mention of EV from my argument and what I wanted to discuss is still there. -Does giving away gold/kills/whatever negatively impact the game more than getting gold/kills/whatever (it feels like this from anecdotal evidence and I personally think the anti-snowballing mechanics make it true), and if so: -Does playing safe (or 'not to lose lane') or in other words go for low risk/low reward plays over high risk/high reward plays then become the 'best' way to play the game (yes I see how that can be misconstrued as maximizing EV). I'm not claiming it does, I was merely trying to throw it out there for discussion.
I don't think anything competitive I've played or watched was "try don't lose" is the correct way to play unless you're playing vs a total scrub and are already way favored, which is basically Dyrus in NA LCS, but what everyone else -- including EU shitters -- is to Dyrus on the World stage.
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Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy.
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On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy.
why is that?
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Baa?21247 Posts
I'm sure Reginald is losing sleep because Ketara doesn't respect him. What a tragedy, where did he go wrong in life?
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On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy.
I'm sure he could change the picture, but something tells me you are just nitpicking.
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On April 29 2014 02:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'm sure Reginald is losing sleep because Ketara doesn't respect him.
losing sleep on his giant cash bag labeled TSM.
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Baa?21247 Posts
To be fair, cash is probably pretty uncomfortable to sleep on.
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On April 29 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy. why is that?
Because he's an asshole.
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On April 29 2014 02:46 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy. why is that? Because he's an asshole.
for benching a dude who's got attitude problems?
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Playing Jax vs Ryze has to be one of the worst experiences of my life
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On April 29 2014 02:47 arb wrote:
Playing Jax vs Ryze has to be one of the worst experiences of my life
i dont think its that bad, even hashinshin thinks its 60:40 for ryze which is quite good for a melee champion
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On April 29 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 02:46 Ketara wrote:On April 29 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy. why is that? Because he's an asshole. for benching a dude who's got attitude problems?
No.
But let me put it this way.
If Reginald wasn't an asshole, this discussion wouldn't be as big a thing as it is. And he wouldn't have to be writing facebook posts like that, the seriousness of which is undermined by his picture which cries out "look at me I'm an asshole".
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On April 29 2014 02:46 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy. why is that? Because he's an asshole.
For not having a serious picture?
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Reginald IS an asshole, and it is why TSM is so successful.
Hate or love the guy, you can't deny the impact of his personality on his team success.
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On April 29 2014 02:36 Ketara wrote:
Reginald always makes me laugh. That facebook post is all serious, and then his picture is a Beavis and Butthead reference. I have very little respect for the guy.
Regi is a good businessman. He really knows how to play his cards and leverage against Riot. His tactics might be a bit heavy handed, but he is just using his resources to get what he wants.
Examples:
1. In S3, he "swapped lane" with Dyrus. Pretty sure this is because regi wasn't happy about Riot's decisions about certain things in ban phase.
2. He was unhappy about patch 4.5 for play offs. He probably complained but Riot did not listen to him, so he posted a twitter post on keeping URF forever, which obviously is not what Riot wants.
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On April 29 2014 02:16 NeoIllusions wrote:Has anyone posted this yet? Couldn't find it in the past few pages. https://www.facebook.com/TSMReginald/posts/661466663908623?stream_ref=10At this point, I don't think I would question Regi's business decisions. Balls in Xpecial's court as to whether or not he can get his drive back in order to get back on the roster.
From what I know about Regi I highly doubt Xpecial will be back on the main roster lol.
Not that it really matters, I don't think TSM will have a huge problem replacing him. There's plenty of supports they could pick up who will do fine (albeit not quite as good as him, at least at first).
On April 29 2014 02:58 SagaZ wrote:
Reginald IS an asshole, and it is why TSM is so successful.
Hate or love the guy, you can't deny the impact of his personality on his team success.
Maybe a year ago you couldn't. I think TSM could've had a non-asshole owner/manager/coach and still placed second this split. I would imagine he's pretty stressful to work for and since he isn't a player on the team I'd also wager a non-asshole but good coach would be better than a good asshole coach. Of course, it's not like NA has a ton of other people who could do Regi's job. I just don't agree with the notion that because Regi is an asshole his team does well.
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Reginald is blunt and an asshole. But he has his head screwed on straight. His goal is to have his team win Worlds. He won't be able to accomplish that if one of his players is a whiny little bitch who blames his teammates for losing and not putting 100% into achieving that goal of a world championship.
If there are issues within the team, you have to put them out. Plain and simple. If he's off doing his own thing and not coordinating with the team, then he's actually hurting the team, despite his skill level. Think of it as a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.
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You think Sheep/BloodH2O is better than xpecial?
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