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Even in Diamond (I know low diamond is still bad) I have rarely seen people time objective. Or when they wrote it down it got pushed down in chat and nobody really used the information.
I remember one particular game (out of hundreds) where our jungler timed objectives and actually used the information to rally our team around objective before they spawned. We lost laning phase but won the game solely on that. Now with a timer ticking down I doubt that this will not have an impact on how people play around objectives.
Yes, it is extremly easy to time those buffs and yet, you have to actually do it and can get an advantage of doing it properly. While it is true that you can easily overcome the disadvantage you have by not having curse voice, you cannot get an advantage out of timing buffs anymore. Albeit a small one, you have to put in an effort to overcome a disadvantage. Where do 3rd party programs stop if not there?
And the buffs wouldn't even be so bad. I believe seeing the timer on your allies ulimates is an insane advantage.
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I literally lost count of the number of times where i type something like "dragon in 30s" only for the top laner to go straight to his lane, our bot lane meanwhile is freezing a huge wave near our turret.
The problem isn't the timer itself, most people below diamond simply don't know how to play the game properly (which is fine tbh, we are playing to have fun remember?). So by itself the timers won't mean much, frankly most games below gold don't even have a ward near the pit to give you a timer to start with.
Still the basic point that an external program gives you some kind of help (even if it was just the Ult cd instead of green light) is not something that should be allowed. Either include those functions into the client, or forbid the outside program until you have it.
The voice part is a nice idea (and a way for riot to include voicechat without making their "community managers" even more overworked), but the additional features have no place in this game.
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On April 27 2014 02:39 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.
For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage. It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off. "They suck at these things so a massive aid in another thing won't matter." Real.
You're implying it's a "massive aid" though... When it really isn't.
On April 27 2014 03:21 Cheap0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.
For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage. It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off. Though it's harder to organize people in Silver to take objectives properly, the power of timing objectives is magnified if they do organize. The enemy team will almost always be caught with their pants down ( especially if you've been warding/clearing wards in advance), and by the time they realize Baron's respawned, your team has already killed it. Timing objectives was one of the big things that helped me climb out of Silver, I'd hate to see that lever for gaining elo taken away.
If you're already doing these things. You're already at the level of timing objectives. Just having timer doesn't make it so objectives are ezpz to take.
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On April 27 2014 03:46 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 01:50 Brad` wrote:
Well the people most against this app also seem to be the people that have no idea what it does. It cracks me up when people are raging against features that it doesn't even have. The app times your teammates ultimates. This is something that NO ONE does, besides tryhard ranked 5's - This is a large advantage over people that don't use the app, as no one does this in soloq currently. I played WoW, I played WoW arena, I know exactly how much addons change a game and turn from a little help to mandatory or GTFO. The fact that this is happening to league makes me sad. And the fact that Curse is currently selling beta keys and getting away with it is sad (albeit they are only profiting via marketing, with the money going to the big streamers they are using).
theres also this nifty green light that tells you basically the same thing.
you can also go for example "mummy ult cd?" and they can do this thing where they type "15 secs" then you know 15seconds later their ult is up.
its not game breaking its people blowing shit out of proportion, which ive noticed is pretty common in the league community
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The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc)
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On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc)
Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway.
It will be totally kosher
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On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher
Finally, someone in this thread who understands.
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On April 27 2014 06:29 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher Finally, someone in this thread who understands.
Understands the art of constructing and then burning down strawmen?
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On April 27 2014 07:03 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:29 Nemireck wrote:On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher Finally, someone in this thread who understands. Understands the art of constructing and then burning down strawmen?
W2C literally said that "Gold players feed 3 kills mid before 5 minutes" and that "there do not exist any players with diamond 1 mechanics but without diamond 1 timing"
Its a bit of hyperbole but its pretty on the mark in terms of what people are saying.
I mean shit. I am plat 5 atm. Curse voice improves my game. I can see it improve my game (because I am bad at timing but good at being in position if i know when i need to be there)
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On April 27 2014 06:29 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher Finally, someone in this thread who understands.
I'm Diamond 1 and I rarely spend the effort to do all those things.
I guess all dem Challengers all do them.
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Someone should program a tool that times enemy skills by parsing the sound and using the API provided by riot, no memory hacking needed.
Then use an overlay just like curse to display it.
That will force riots hand.
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On April 27 2014 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 02:39 Gahlo wrote:On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.
For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage. It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off. "They suck at these things so a massive aid in another thing won't matter." Real. You're implying it's a "massive aid" though... When it really isn't.
I'm curious, what is your current rank?
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On April 27 2014 06:29 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher Finally, someone in this thread who understands.
Of course he does, he is an exonomist ffs!
Also Curse voice is illegal in south american servers, get your shit together NA, this is the kind of stuff that makes you a joke server
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One disadvantage of relying on Curse Voice for timers is that you don't develop the ability to do it on your own. If your team doesn't get dragon, a lot of the time you won't have vision of it and will need to do an estimated timing yourself. If you're relying only on Curse Voice, you'll be completely in the dark on the timing.
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On April 27 2014 08:22 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 06:29 Nemireck wrote:On April 27 2014 06:10 Goumindong wrote:On April 27 2014 06:06 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
The ult timers are definitely broken. The higher up you go on the ladder, the most game breaking these features are. At high plat-low diamond having the ult timers and possibly 5 way voice communication over the other team's is insanely broken because these players can actually make good use of this information.
Riot probably is thinking the same way you guys are. Hooray for teamwork! gold and silver baddies still won't properly reap its benefits, but this is just opening a can of worms. What's preventing someone from modifying curse voice to time all available information if it was within vision? (summoner timers, enemy ult timers, GA timers, etc) Whatever; everyone who has good mechanics already does all that stuff and tracking that stuff isn't a mental load so it won't effect anyone's play and gold scrubs super feed so they can't use that info anyway. It will be totally kosher Finally, someone in this thread who understands. Of course he does, he is an exonomist ffs! Also Curse voice is illegal in south american servers, get your shit together NA, this is the kind of stuff that makes you a joke server
The more I look at the Curse Voice thing the more it seems that Riot and Curse stroke a deal to have it considered legal by Riot. Riot LAN was not aware of the deal, so they gave a conflicting statement.
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On April 27 2014 08:40 GolemMadness wrote:
One disadvantage of relying on Curse Voice for timers is that you don't develop the ability to do it on your own. If your team doesn't get dragon, a lot of the time you won't have vision of it and will need to do an estimated timing yourself. If you're relying only on Curse Voice, you'll be completely in the dark on the timing.
You realize curse voice doesn't time it if you don't see it dieing?It literally just adds 6 minutes to what you already get in your chat.
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On April 27 2014 08:57 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 08:40 GolemMadness wrote:
One disadvantage of relying on Curse Voice for timers is that you don't develop the ability to do it on your own. If your team doesn't get dragon, a lot of the time you won't have vision of it and will need to do an estimated timing yourself. If you're relying only on Curse Voice, you'll be completely in the dark on the timing. You realize curse voice doesn't time it if you don't see it dieing?It literally just adds 6 minutes to what you already get in your chat.
That's exactly what he said?
Edit: Didn't someone say that's one of the reasons Meteos spoke out against Curse Voice as well? That he thinks it will breed players who use it as a crutch and never actually develop those skills(intuition for ult timers, actually timing buffs/drag/baron).
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On April 27 2014 08:57 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 08:40 GolemMadness wrote:
One disadvantage of relying on Curse Voice for timers is that you don't develop the ability to do it on your own. If your team doesn't get dragon, a lot of the time you won't have vision of it and will need to do an estimated timing yourself. If you're relying only on Curse Voice, you'll be completely in the dark on the timing. You realize curse voice doesn't time it if you don't see it dieing?It literally just adds 6 minutes to what you already get in your chat.
Did you read my post...?
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On April 27 2014 08:57 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 08:40 GolemMadness wrote:
One disadvantage of relying on Curse Voice for timers is that you don't develop the ability to do it on your own. If your team doesn't get dragon, a lot of the time you won't have vision of it and will need to do an estimated timing yourself. If you're relying only on Curse Voice, you'll be completely in the dark on the timing. You realize curse voice doesn't time it if you don't see it dieing?It literally just adds 6 minutes to what you already get in your chat.
The fact of the matter is, you still have to do it manually if you don't have the software. Again, if you do NOT have the software, you have to do it yourself, manually.
This is a dangerous slippery slope. Riot is basically saying adding 6 mentally then write it on your chat is basic enough that it can be done with a third party software. What else is "basic" though? Is kiting perfectly with Cassiopeia so basic that it can also be done with a third party software? Are dominion bots performing merely "basic" actions? Where do you draw the line?
Like I have said, the fact that Riot seems to have drawn the line to place Curse on its favourable side seems to suggest to me that Riot and Curse made a deal.
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