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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
April 26 2014 15:22 GMT
#941
Is anyone watching the Brazil CBLoL tournament? Pretty amazing crowd and large stage, but they just can't seem to get the sound to work at all lol...

http://www.twitch.tv/riotgamesbrazil
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 15:28:30
April 26 2014 15:27 GMT
#942
On April 26 2014 23:52 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 23:51 Isualin wrote:
On April 26 2014 23:47 M2 wrote:
I just read about Curse voice, whats the big deal with it? For what I understand it will provide voice chat in the game + some timings. Looks like smth good overall

Chat thing is not really a big deal but automatic timers for buffs, dragon and baron is a big advantage over others in low elo.

But everyone will have this? Thats what I understood

There's 3 main issues:
1) Right now it's in a beta. Some people have it and outside of spending money to subscribe to a twitch streamer I don't know of a way to get it. This means that the people that have it or want to pay for free software have an edge until it is released.

2) Like DBM and similar add-ons in WOW, it will become pretty much "required." Even for the players that already time these things routinely, there is no reason to not do it through Curse voice as it is more efficient and accurate.

3) It blurs the lines of the ToS. Things like this have been looked down upon in the past. Riot LAS/LAN has already publicly said that Curse Voice violates their policy for 3rd party programs. With the excuses given for Curse Voice, similar excuses can be made for tracking much more egregious things.

On April 27 2014 00:22 UmberBane wrote:
Is anyone watching the Brazil CBLoL tournament? Pretty amazing crowd and large stage, but they just can't seem to get the sound to work at all lol...

http://www.twitch.tv/riotgamesbrazil

There's also a Turkish league going on now aswell.

http://www.twitch.tv/riotgamesturkish/
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 26 2014 15:32 GMT
#943
On April 27 2014 00:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 21:40 Gahlo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [NLB Quarters, NJBS vs KTA] +
Sword wins 2:1.


+ Show Spoiler +
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Nagne and sword's bot suddenly became incredibly determined to keep their jobs
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
April 26 2014 16:28 GMT
#944
On April 26 2014 23:53 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 23:51 Isualin wrote:
On April 26 2014 23:47 M2 wrote:
I just read about Curse voice, whats the big deal with it? For what I understand it will provide voice chat in the game + some timings. Looks like smth good overall

Chat thing is not really a big deal but automatic timers for buffs, dragon and baron is a big advantage over others in low elo.

Havent seen any timers for buffs, and its basically a countdown for dragon/baron, like ive said you can easily add 6/7 to whatever and get the time.

And when you cant see them and they die? You get a big fat fuck off cause we don't know either.

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 23:52 M2 wrote:
On April 26 2014 23:51 Isualin wrote:
On April 26 2014 23:47 M2 wrote:
I just read about Curse voice, whats the big deal with it? For what I understand it will provide voice chat in the game + some timings. Looks like smth good overall

Chat thing is not really a big deal but automatic timers for buffs, dragon and baron is a big advantage over others in low elo.

But everyone will have this? Thats what I understood


it's more or less senseless crying from people who think it takes a shitload of time and effort to add 5/6/7 to whatever they're doing. never had a problem doing it on my way to a camp or while i'm doing a camp. alot of players will just type it out regardless anyway

I think you are overestimating the number of people who are timing those. It might be easy on paper but people lose track. I am just gold but people below gold is around %70 of the player base and i don't see people accurately time dragon in any of my games.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 26 2014 16:34 GMT
#945
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.

For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 26 2014 16:39 GMT
#946
On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.

For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage.

It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 26 2014 16:43 GMT
#947
I don't think people have problem with this app in particular as much as with Riot's stance on 3rd party apps that can result in everyone using some kind of game-helper.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
April 26 2014 16:50 GMT
#948
Well the people most against this app also seem to be the people that have no idea what it does. It cracks me up when people are raging against features that it doesn't even have.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
April 26 2014 16:51 GMT
#949
How did this even happen btw? You can't help but expect that Curse talked to Riot before putting resources into developing and heavily promoting such a thing. Did Riot tighten up their stance somewhere down the line, or did Curse just naively start pushing this thing out?
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 26 2014 16:57 GMT
#950
I don't care about Curse voice. I'm not gonna be using it anyway.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 26 2014 17:21 GMT
#951
On April 27 2014 01:57 Disengaged wrote:
I don't care about Curse voice. I'm not gonna be using it anyway.

Same here.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 17:22:12
April 26 2014 17:22 GMT
#952
its just one more thing they take away from the game that has an influence over who wins the game outside of lategame 5v5 teamfights.

This whole season is basically patches that take away those things and focus only on teamfighting lategame.




One more season like this and the whole laning phase will be pointless and summoners rift will be Dominion 2.0 -.-
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 26 2014 17:36 GMT
#953
On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.

For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage.

It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off.

Yea but so do their opponents die midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark because the games matchmaking is symmetric.

The idea that there are not people who have good mechanics but poor timing or game sense is kinda dumb
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 26 2014 17:39 GMT
#954
On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.

For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage.

It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off.

"They suck at these things so a massive aid in another thing won't matter."

Real.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 26 2014 17:54 GMT
#955
Also, with streamers doing this "If you subscribe you get a Curse Voice key!" business then isn't that against the ToS of Twitch since they changed it recently.

If your giving away things then it has to be for EVERYONE and can't be an incentive to subscribe or be a perk for subscribing.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 18:09:56
April 26 2014 18:09 GMT
#956
On April 27 2014 01:51 UmberBane wrote:
How did this even happen btw? You can't help but expect that Curse talked to Riot before putting resources into developing and heavily promoting such a thing. Did Riot tighten up their stance somewhere down the line, or did Curse just naively start pushing this thing out?

Why do people all assume this?

Curse is a reasonably big organization that makes a large portion of its money making third party add-ons starting from vanilla WoW. It's not unreasonable to assume that their devs (completely independent of the Curse League of Legends team/management) made Curse Voice to capitalize on League's huge popularity without conspiring with Riot.
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
April 26 2014 18:21 GMT
#957
On April 27 2014 01:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 01:34 Ketara wrote:
Yeah having somebody on your team time buffs/drag/baron in gold or below is pretty rare.

For those leagues curse voice would be a pretty big advantage.

It really isn't though... these players in those leagues suck not because they don't time buffs. They suck cuz they die in midlane 3 times before the 5 minute mark. Adding timers doesn't change the fact that no one knows what to do with that info, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the mechanics to pull it off.


Though it's harder to organize people in Silver to take objectives properly, the power of timing objectives is magnified if they do organize. The enemy team will almost always be caught with their pants down (especially if you've been warding/clearing wards in advance), and by the time they realize Baron's respawned, your team has already killed it.

Timing objectives was one of the big things that helped me climb out of Silver, I'd hate to see that lever for gaining elo taken away.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
April 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#958
On April 27 2014 03:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 01:51 UmberBane wrote:
How did this even happen btw? You can't help but expect that Curse talked to Riot before putting resources into developing and heavily promoting such a thing. Did Riot tighten up their stance somewhere down the line, or did Curse just naively start pushing this thing out?

Why do people all assume this?

Curse is a reasonably big organization that makes a large portion of its money making third party add-ons starting from vanilla WoW. It's not unreasonable to assume that their devs (completely independent of the Curse League of Legends team/management) made Curse Voice to capitalize on League's huge popularity without conspiring with Riot.


I know what Curse is and I also know that their developers have nothing to do with the team (lol). You actually speak to my point, as the long history that Curse has of making add-ons would at least pose the fair question why they wouldn't check out what they're allowed to do and what they're not allowed to do before putting ressources into developing and promoting bigger add-on projects. Just as you gave an example of a reasonable assumption, it's also not unreasonable to assume that with their history they *might* have been smart enough to have some kind of talk with Riot prior to publishing this app.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 26 2014 18:46 GMT
#959
On April 26 2014 21:54 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 20:49 TyrantPotato wrote:
On April 26 2014 18:55 arb wrote:
On April 26 2014 17:54 Numy wrote:
On April 26 2014 17:12 kongoline wrote:
yes in competitive games where people 1v2 and push 2-3 turrets just to snowball game and grab fast objectives to win games asap feral flare might not be OP but soloQ is completely different, just looking at the top soloq winrates and how things has changed its obvious something is off


I don't think FF is OP, it merely promotes boring gameplay or worse idle gameplay

I feel like the game is in a boring state atm personally



personally I have played maybe 20 games total since all the anti snowball shit patch months ago. Game feels too forced into the lategame 5v5 teamfight wombo combo for the win.

Been playing smite since it released, if you have a strong early game you can carry it to a win in that game still, a feature which I see less and less in league every patch.

Its so ridiculous i can utterly shit on someone in lane, but 1-2 kills and they're back into total relevance no matter how behind they were some times. Or the entire team is winning but it doesnt matter because lol waveclear stalls the game for 30 minutes to the point we no longer matter and just flat out lose.

its incredibly boring imo.


Other than safe waveclear champs like ziggs having a strong earlygame, isn't that what is supposed to happen? I mean, unless you shat on Renekton with Jax or Olaf. In the opposite direction you really did nothing by "shitting" on you're opponent, you just did what is expected.
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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 18:48:06
April 26 2014 18:46 GMT
#960
On April 27 2014 01:50 Brad` wrote:
Well the people most against this app also seem to be the people that have no idea what it does. It cracks me up when people are raging against features that it doesn't even have.


The app times your teammates ultimates. This is something that NO ONE does, besides tryhard ranked 5's - This is a large advantage over people that don't use the app, as no one does this in soloq currently.

I played WoW, I played WoW arena, I know exactly how much addons change a game and turn from a little help to mandatory or GTFO.

The fact that this is happening to league makes me sad.

And the fact that Curse is currently selling beta keys and getting away with it is sad (albeit they are only profiting via marketing, with the money going to the big streamers they are using).
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