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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 03 2014 23:18 GMT
#2221
http://www.newsoflegends.com/index.php/theoddone-steps-down-cws-amazing-new-jungler-for-tsm-17942/
Rest in pepperonis oddone
Glorious SEA doto
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
May 03 2014 23:25 GMT
#2222
Holy wtf balls the drama worldwide is getting to be a bit much damn... swaps and changes everywhere
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 03 2014 23:27 GMT
#2223
On May 04 2014 06:27 LaNague wrote:
why are all eu players going to US, i dont understand it?


Do they just want more freedom?
Ok, US is cheap to live in, but its suboptimal for building up any kind of savings i would think.


Los Angeles is not cheap and has fairly shitty internet, of course you can live a few hours away and commute, I think Curse does this with Las Vegas.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 03 2014 23:27 GMT
#2224
Sad to see oddone go, but it's definitely a good move for TSM. Now they just have take xspecial back or find someone to replace him too, and they're set for the summer splt.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 03 2014 23:34 GMT
#2225
IMO TSM and CLG need to merge, then split into 3 teams.

Team 1: Counter Logic Mid: HSGG-Oddone-Regi-Chaox-Chauster
Team 2: Team Solo Logic: Dyrus-Dexter-Bjersen-Aphrolift
Team 3: Link, WildTurtle, XSpecial + New Blood!
Freeeeeeedom
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 03 2014 23:35 GMT
#2226
good move, dyrus should be next
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 23:37:12
May 03 2014 23:36 GMT
#2227
On May 04 2014 08:27 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 06:27 LaNague wrote:
why are all eu players going to US, i dont understand it?


Do they just want more freedom?
Ok, US is cheap to live in, but its suboptimal for building up any kind of savings i would think.


Los Angeles is not cheap and has fairly shitty internet, of course you can live a few hours away and commute, I think Curse does this with Las Vegas.

If I were to guess TSM money > CW money. Also TSM would cover the housing which makes up a lot of the cost of big city living.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 03 2014 23:41 GMT
#2228
Now TSM only needs to replace their top lane and adc and they will be a all EU "North-American" LCS team
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 23:57:45
May 03 2014 23:55 GMT
#2229
On May 04 2014 08:18 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.newsoflegends.com/index.php/theoddone-steps-down-cws-amazing-new-jungler-for-tsm-17942/
Rest in pepperonis oddone

meanwhile dyrus sitting happily in top lane feeding 5 kills in the first 5 minutes.
On May 04 2014 08:27 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 06:27 LaNague wrote:
why are all eu players going to US, i dont understand it?


Do they just want more freedom?
Ok, US is cheap to live in, but its suboptimal for building up any kind of savings i would think.


Los Angeles is not cheap and has fairly shitty internet, of course you can live a few hours away and commute, I think Curse does this with Las Vegas.

LA is not "cheap" but it's more affordable than most big EU cities by a large margin, especially considering LA county has ton of places that have affordable living. Though I'm not quite sure how feasible some of these places are, depending on the logistics of getting to the studio every week.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2014 23:59 GMT
#2230
Goodbye General. ;_;7
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 04 2014 00:03 GMT
#2231
I don't think TOO was ever a bad player. In NA, where the competition was never too fierce, we see that he does his job fairly well and he plays fairly consistently. But what TSM wants is a team that can compete on the world stage.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 04 2014 00:09 GMT
#2232
--- Nuked ---
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 04 2014 01:01 GMT
#2233
On May 04 2014 09:09 krndandaman wrote:
man, so many roster changes that it's getting hard to keep track of.
really excited for next split though- most of these changes are good for the teams.

wonder if c9 will ever get a roster change in the near future. prob not though


Do you know the date for the next split?
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 04 2014 01:05 GMT
#2234
On May 04 2014 09:09 krndandaman wrote:
man, so many roster changes that it's getting hard to keep track of.
really excited for next split though- most of these changes are good for the teams.

wonder if c9 will ever get a roster change in the near future. prob not though

Technically c9 has already swapped hai for link.

+ Show Spoiler +
only for all stars though
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2014 01:18 GMT
#2235
On May 04 2014 08:27 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 06:27 LaNague wrote:
why are all eu players going to US, i dont understand it?


Do they just want more freedom?
Ok, US is cheap to live in, but its suboptimal for building up any kind of savings i would think.


Los Angeles is not cheap and has fairly shitty internet, of course you can live a few hours away and commute, I think Curse does this with Las Vegas.

Curse used to but moved to LA beginning of Spring split.

A lot of EU players are moving because better exposure- look at twitch numbers- and sometimes the competition is thinner at your position so you look like a god (Bjerg)
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
May 04 2014 01:56 GMT
#2236
So when xpecial gets replaced dyrus will be the only tsm member left from their glory days of being #1na.

I'm not sure these changes will benefit them as much as they think. Too and xpecial are not bad players, they are just not perhaps top notch players. The situation seems a bit different from changing regi, who was pretty terrible, with bjergsen, who is a good player. Both these changes are bound to be much less drastic in terms of skill, and changing two players would mean a lot of practice to perform properly as a team
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 04 2014 02:20 GMT
#2237

he sorta has a point.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 04 2014 02:26 GMT
#2238
Its really silly that they didnt go to OGN winter regardless. First of all, they would have lost before LCS Spring started. And if they made it further, just use an all-sub team Gambit-Style, or, you know, just stay in OGN and try to qualify for worlds from the best league in the world.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 02:37:02
May 04 2014 02:31 GMT
#2239
I was curious what are the "late game champions" and what are the "early game champions"... so I made this chart:

http://i.imgur.com/3HDXYx0.png

I collected ~800k ranked soloQ games only for patch 4.6. The first column is the overall win rate of the champion. Each subsequent column is the win rate of the champion for a specific game length.

For example, you can see that with Poppy, she wins ~40% of the time for games less than 25 minutes, but wins >50% of the time for games more than 35 minutes.

On the other hand, Darius wins >50% of the time for games less than 30 minutes, but wins ~47% of the time for games more than 40 minutes.

The green/red boxes follow this rule:

if win % > overall win % + 2%, green
if win % < overall win % - 2%, red


Here's what I can see:

+ Show Spoiler +

Twitch, Vayne, Poppy, Karthus, Veigar - late game monster.

Heimer, Pantheon, Zilean - terribad late game.

Urgot - WTF late game Urgot? Might be due to small sample size.

Jinx - doesn't look that OP in late game.

Shaco - somewhat expected. His early game is really strong; then he falls off in mid game. But in a very lengthy game, he can just BD and it's incredibly frustrating to play against.

Tristana - a classic. Strong early/late. Sucky mid game.


https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 04 2014 02:31 GMT
#2240
On May 04 2014 11:20 wei2coolman wrote:
https://twitter.com/CrsDominate/status/462772780056842240
he sorta has a point.


Isn't the only thing that is stopping that from happening cost(risk)? Like, I don't think OGN would turn away an NA team from qualifying for Champions, but no NA team will move to Korea on the chance of qualifying.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
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