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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 03 2014 18:47 GMT
#2181
I went 9-1 in a ranked match with Teleport Garen vs Ryze top, it's really not that bad. You will need ganks to pressure him.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 03 2014 18:48 GMT
#2182
On May 04 2014 03:33 kongoline wrote:
playing melee champion vs ryze top without any help from jungle (read: constant camp) is more painful than giving birth to a child, no idea what was riot thinking when they buffed him

I played Jax vs Ryze the other day, as soon as you get 6/get cutlass you can all in and him and win pretty easily tbh. But lvl 1-5 is worse than cancer

And is OddOne going to stop playing professionally? Would hate for him to stop streaming he's always been one of the more entertaining/friendly streamers i feel like
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#2183
On May 04 2014 03:46 kongoline wrote:
i've seen dyrus and hashinshin play jax vs ryze and they both got raped and complained how this matchup is unplayable without constant jungle camp early game, worst case scenario ryze can just plays def and farms and still outscale anyone with exception maybe of jax, i would still pick 6item ryze over pretty much anything in the game

Yesterday I saw zion play jax and made the ryze go 0-8 in lane. Tehehehe.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2014 19:06 GMT
#2184
If Ryze fucks up you can actually hurt him somewhat hard early. But if he starts sapphire he'd have to fuck up real hard considering every Q hits for almost 100 damage. On paper champions like Jarvan can be annoying for him (he can EQ through Rune Prison, Riven can also Q while cc'd, at least if you mash hard enough to overlap the animation with the cc, not sure if the bug that let you use 2nd-3rd Q even when rooted is still there), and I'm pretty sure a level 2 all-in from Xin would win, problem being that you won't ever reach level 2 first against him.

And I doubt your jungler would give you a level 2 gank, despite the likeliness of getting a kill.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 03 2014 19:12 GMT
#2185
On May 04 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
If Ryze fucks up you can actually hurt him somewhat hard early. But if he starts sapphire he'd have to fuck up real hard considering every Q hits for almost 100 damage. On paper champions like Jarvan can be annoying for him (he can EQ through Rune Prison, Riven can also Q while cc'd, at least if you mash hard enough to overlap the animation with the cc, not sure if the bug that let you use 2nd-3rd Q even when rooted is still there), and I'm pretty sure a level 2 all-in from Xin would win, problem being that you won't ever reach level 2 first against him.

And I doubt your jungler would give you a level 2 gank, despite the likeliness of getting a kill.


I actually played vs a xin the other day and that was probably the hardest lane I've ever had playing Ryze except maybe Syndra. Level 2? Lol fuck that, E + auto does 40% of ryze's hp
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 03 2014 19:21 GMT
#2186
On May 04 2014 03:46 kongoline wrote:
i've seen dyrus and hashinshin play jax vs ryze and they both got raped and complained how this matchup is unplayable without constant jungle camp early game, worst case scenario ryze can just plays def and farms and still outscale anyone with exception maybe of jax, i would still pick 6item ryze over pretty much anything in the game

I feel like if we're talking in terms of 6 items, Jax is probably hands down the strongest 6item fighter in the game imo.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 19:24:59
May 03 2014 19:24 GMT
#2187
On May 04 2014 04:12 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
If Ryze fucks up you can actually hurt him somewhat hard early. But if he starts sapphire he'd have to fuck up real hard considering every Q hits for almost 100 damage. On paper champions like Jarvan can be annoying for him (he can EQ through Rune Prison, Riven can also Q while cc'd, at least if you mash hard enough to overlap the animation with the cc, not sure if the bug that let you use 2nd-3rd Q even when rooted is still there), and I'm pretty sure a level 2 all-in from Xin would win, problem being that you won't ever reach level 2 first against him.

And I doubt your jungler would give you a level 2 gank, despite the likeliness of getting a kill.


I actually played vs a xin the other day and that was probably the hardest lane I've ever had playing Ryze except maybe Syndra. Level 2? Lol fuck that, E + auto does 40% of ryze's hp


yeah anything that can close the cap easily early can give Ryze a bit of trouble, the key is to not greed for too many cs and just soak the xp without getting chunked by 2-3 overloads lvl 1. If Ryze isn't careful lvl2-4 he can easily die because most people run 0/9/21 or even 9/0/21 with a mana crystal start, which is fairly squishy.

What Ryze can do though is to bait the gapclose, disengage and now the wave autopushes to you. Just recall and ideally purchase tear, tp to tower and freeze forever.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 19:28:38
May 03 2014 19:26 GMT
#2188
On May 04 2014 04:21 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 03:46 kongoline wrote:
i've seen dyrus and hashinshin play jax vs ryze and they both got raped and complained how this matchup is unplayable without constant jungle camp early game, worst case scenario ryze can just plays def and farms and still outscale anyone with exception maybe of jax, i would still pick 6item ryze over pretty much anything in the game

I feel like if we're talking in terms of 6 items, Jax is probably hands down the strongest 6item fighter in the game imo.

hes still melee and thats big in team fights. also 1v1 doesnt mean much pretty sure ad sion or nasus would beat jax lategame
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 03 2014 19:40 GMT
#2189
On May 04 2014 03:46 kongoline wrote:
i've seen dyrus and hashinshin play jax vs ryze and they both got raped and complained how this matchup is unplayable without constant jungle camp early game, worst case scenario ryze can just plays def and farms and still outscale anyone with exception maybe of jax, i would still pick 6item ryze over pretty much anything in the game


I mean Jax loses a lot of match ups pre 6 without jungle pressure this isn't a ryze exclusive issue
Carrilord has arrived.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 03 2014 19:43 GMT
#2190
Dyrus and Hashinshin are pretty huge whiners too. Don't think you ever go with jax thinking you'll win pre-6 in the large majority of matchups.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2014 20:02 GMT
#2191
There's a difference between something like Shen or Mundo, against who you assume you'll lose pre-6 but beat them after (and your first buy), Riven or Renekton you have a big advantage but against who you can snowball and can still somewhat keep up with, and Ryze or Kayle who you beat once a certain item/level threshold is passed, but who have such potent tools and bullying against you that without help you should be too massively behind to reach said threshold.

Ryze is "you won't ever get a cs and you'll cower under your tower" levels of zoning early on and he can harass you under tower to make things worse.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
May 03 2014 20:08 GMT
#2192
On May 04 2014 02:39 Dusty wrote:
http://gambit-gaming.com/en/article/338

tears fully stacked, etc.


Article
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Today we are forced to announce that on May 1st Alexey "Alex Ich" Ichetovkin made a decision to leave Gambit Gaming. In this statement we would like to clarify the given outcome.

Back in March 2014 Alex Ich got in touch with our management. The point behind his request was that he wanted to avoid constant flights that had a negative impact on his physical state and the time available for him to spend with his family. It is important to note that he didn't intend to leave our organization and to step aside from competitive League of Legends. Given his marital status, we decided to accommodate his request, and both sides began considering possible options. The only condition was that he will continue playing for our core roster until the conclusion of LCS Spring Split.

1) The primary option was to create a secondary Gambit Gaming roster with Alex Ich in charge of it. That would allow him to resume his gaming career as well as to develop upcoming players, while suffering minimal negative consequences. On top of that, Alexey could rejoin our core roster in case of a dire need in order to accomplish our formulated goals, to be more specific, to qualify to and to successfully perform at Worlds.

2) The most complicated solution was for Alexey and his family to move to Cologne. We don't want to overburden you with the details required to carry this option out, but it is manageable.

In the end, Alexey decided to leave Gambit Gaming. Our common journey has lasted for more than two years, and Alexey proved to be a top-notch player, his skills aided us in securing multiple victories. We would like to thank Alexey for his contribution to the development of our team and organization as well as to wish him luck in his future endeavours.

Statement by Alexey "Alex Ich" Ichetovkin:
"My time in Gambit Gaming has come to an end. I crave to tell you about the number of reasons that induced me to make this decision.

It all began one and a half years ago, after S2WC. At least, then I noticed the first changes, even though it could have begun much earlier. Suddenly we stopped listening to each other. Everyone considered himself to be grand and mighty, aware of all the in-game nuances. We didn't listen to advices from other lanes, because we considered ourselves kings in our respective roles.

Afterwards we lost our zeal. The exact same youthful zeal that accompanied M5's victories. Crazy dives, risky moves. We started playing like veterans, carefully and tediously. If only it yielded good results... But no, everything was getting even worse. Due to our lack of discipline and the lack of common opinion in our team, we stopped trusting each other in making moves and preferred to avoid taking risks.

Our attempt to hire an analyst yielded minor results: everyone in our team was so used to listening to himself that it was difficult and by no means immediate to embrace his suggestions. His role was important though: he provided an outsider's opinion, paid attention to our problems and tried to solve them with picks, realizing that it's impossible to alter our characters.

We had ignored a lot of his suggestions in our match against Roccat and have consequently paid for it.

In our match against Wolves I did what I could to assist the team in saving their spot at LCS, even though at that point I was already aware that our paths will split. Nevertheless, I did my best in these two games.

Over the past year Gambit has brought me only frustrations. After Katowice in 2013 we haven't showed anything of worth, as we were playing for playing instead of winning.

We have spent the past year in constant flight and travelling. We couldn't practice decently over the course of two days that we had between play days and flights. I have barely seen my family and didn't have a chance to spend time with them, since upon coming home I had to immediately commit to training: time is money. All of it has exhausted me and took away a lot of energy. I could deal with it as a long as we had good results. But since Spring 2013 our play was only getting worse and got worse to the point that we had to prove that we are worthy of an LCS spot.

Of course, it didn't come down only to flights, even though they played a significant role. We lacked motivation. You could easily notice that victories didn't bring joy as much as they used to. As I've said earlier, there was no zeal that is instrumental for winning.

Thanks to all of you who was supporting Gambit and myself. I did in fact wanted to win World Championship with a team that I was a part of for more than two years.

It ended up being like a family for me. It's hard for me to leave my friends, Konstantin and Edward - people who motivated me to play lately. Thanks to them for what they did for myself and Gambit. They are truly great people who deserve a lot of respect.

Sometimes you have to make a choice, a tough choice. I found the strength and the courage to make it now, even though I've been thinking about it for a while.

I might have been the weakest link and my departure may lead to Gambit winning the World Cup, who knows. Whatever happens is for the best, remember it."


So, what Alex is saying is that the reason Gambit sucks is because of Genja's "Legolas build."

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No zeal. + Show Spoiler +
Too soon?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 20:15:14
May 03 2014 20:09 GMT
#2193
That might be true but it's still pointless to say something "without jungle pressure". If he's sitting there zoning you UNDER tower and your team doesn't punish that then it's not really the matchup being bad. It's your team being fools.

Meh the whole "no jungle pressure" is such a silly metric to use. This game isn't based on isolated instances. It's more if the hero is still unable to hold his own after you helped him, that's the real issue.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2014 20:15 GMT
#2194
I always play with the assumption that their jungler will come while mine won't, so it's a criterion for how I evaluate match-ups, if I need jungler help, it's a bad match-up.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 03 2014 20:16 GMT
#2195
You aren't a pro player using said criteria though.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 03 2014 20:16 GMT
#2196
if u cant lane without help of a jungler that means matchup is bad lol, also counting on random soloQ jungler to gank overextended lane and help everytime u need it is pretty optimistic
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 03 2014 20:19 GMT
#2197
Lone Star Clash Discussion thread if anyone is interested.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/lol-tournaments/449715-lone-star-clash-3
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 03 2014 20:22 GMT
#2198
Picking Jax blind is risky, and thank god for that.

dunno why a match up which is really hard for one of the best 6 item carries in the game isn't healthy
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 03 2014 20:35 GMT
#2199
So apparently with the new Gragas, you're suppose to build Liandries > triforce > morello's.
liftlift > tsm
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 20:55:58
May 03 2014 20:51 GMT
#2200
pretty sure jax vs ryze is a skill matchup.

anyway there are lots of melee champs that do good against ryze
irelia, aatrox, j4, xin. basically any melee champ with a unstoppable gap closer and slow should therotically do well against ryze if you play it smart
you just have to not get chunked in the early levels

edit: for maximum cheese pick talon and sht on ryze
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