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[Patch 4.6] Twitch VU General Discussion - Page 11

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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
April 22 2014 15:21 GMT
#201
On April 22 2014 22:18 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 22:16 Numy wrote:
On April 22 2014 22:11 Zdrastochye wrote:
On April 22 2014 22:01 Numy wrote:
On April 22 2014 21:27 Brad` wrote:
The exact cooldown of their ults is not information that is available to you. LOL.



You can time it the same way you time Baron/Dragon. Don't see why it isn't available to you.


The information on your team's ultimates is revealed to you via a green dot, the enemy's ults aren't displayed to you in such a fashion. Without using a site to calculate based on runes/masteries the timers of said champion's ults there'd be no way for you to deduce it on your own. In my eyes that's where the distinction exists for Riot. You can time things, and you can look up their runes/masteries via lolking, but having a program do more than show in a clearer way what they already show you is against the ToS.


Oh I agree that it's silly to have a program do that kind of thing. I just merely pointed out that the information is there for you to time enemy cooldowns to a reasonable degree in the game.


Does no one time enemy laners flash and ult?

Just me apparently.

huh.


I generally time enemy flashes as a jungler for my own benefit, or if I'm playing mid and flashes happen I'll time those to encourage a gank.

Doesn't always work but it never really hurts to take that 2 seconds to type "750midflash" or something when you recall
In Inca we trust
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 22 2014 15:25 GMT
#202
They should take a leaf out of MtG's rules -- they have a definition of "derived information" which you are entitled to all the information to figure it out but your opponent is under no obligation to help you figure it out. For example, if you want to know if your opponent has any cards that can be cast from his graveyard, your opponent has to show you all the cards in his graveyard but doesn't have to specifically point out any relevant cards in particular. Same with third-party programs in LoL -- I'd be fine with a program that displays your health in large print or something, but it can't help you derive whether that's enough health to survive a full Leblanc combo.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 22 2014 15:29 GMT
#203
On April 23 2014 00:17 AsnSensation wrote:
I'm fine if Curse Voice offers easier voice com for solo Q like Razer comms but all that HUD shit with timers should not be allowed imo. I don't care of people think +6/+7 for dragon and Baron is arbitary but it's still somehting you have to do yourself and distracts you for 2 seconds. From my experience even in Diamond most people don't time shit and it's me most of the time who does the big objective timers regardless of which position I'm currently playing (It might also be because I usually type it really fast directly after taking it though). Consistent blue/red buff timers are throughout the game are very rare.

and yeah having an allied ult timer in seconds is definitely super advantagous. Even if it's only 1 person out of 10 not running Curse voice it's unfair imo. That shit should be implemented in the client.

I think the biggest issue is what potential HUDs it legalizes in the future. There are already scripts around which highlight a minion who is low enough to get the cs, wardhacks, or even enemy cooldown bar for every single spell.

The advantage is you don't have to look through the infinite cursing in chat to find the auto timer that riot included nothing else.I realize that people are scared other shit will be allowed but the crs thingy really doesn't matter much.While riot do have their retarded moments(not that few in fact) I don't think they will randomly let stuff like this get out of control .
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 22 2014 15:29 GMT
#204
I think I'm going to start banning Soraka.

Fuck that champion.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35131 Posts
April 22 2014 15:35 GMT
#205
On April 22 2014 22:02 Brad` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 22:01 Numy wrote:
On April 22 2014 21:27 Brad` wrote:
The exact cooldown of their ults is not information that is available to you. LOL.



You can time it the same way you time Baron/Dragon. Don't see why it isn't available to you.

Runes and masteries?

Which can be gained through lolnexus and has never been told by Riot to stop, so clearly that's allowed.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 22 2014 15:51 GMT
#206
On April 23 2014 00:19 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 00:13 Badboyrune wrote:
On April 23 2014 00:09 Alzadar wrote:
On April 23 2014 00:05 Badboyrune wrote:
Does "information you already have" include only things visible on your own screen or literally any information that is visible to your team?


Since it's not an official policy from Riot yet, that's unclear.

It doesn't really matter though. Either way there's plenty of abuse potential, just a lot more if you can use teammate vision (global ult trajectory indicators would make Ez/Jinx/Draven snipes a thing of the past).

But even ward timers on wards you saw placed (incredibly common bot lane) would be really powerful.


I imagine it'd be pretty great to jungle though if you didn't have to write any timers down, always knew the exact timings for flashes and big ults and always knew where wards were placed and when they'd run out.


Yeah it'd be pretty great to have the computer play the game for you...

While I don't have opinion about other exploit, I also think that writing down is a hassle. I'd rather have a system that can help you keep track at stuff easier. For example, instead of typing timer, you can just do something like Shift+1+click on the clock for print out dragon time, shift+2+click on the clock for print out baron time, shift+3+click on the clock for ward time,.v.v.v.v
That way people still have to remember to time it, but that also make the process easier and smoother.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 22 2014 15:54 GMT
#207
Or you can press Z
Bronze player stuck in platinum
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 16:06:10
April 22 2014 16:05 GMT
#208
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 22 2014 16:07 GMT
#209
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln


Hey Blasius.

Go fuck yourself.

Lux is German. I have video evidence:

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 22 2014 16:14 GMT
#210
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln

Meh, i saw it more like him closing his eyes and just firing into the enemy team with reckless abandon rather than a random direction.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 22 2014 16:19 GMT
#211
Yeah Spray and Pray doesn't imply random directions, it just means shooting a lot and hoping you get some hits, not aiming too much. Which is exactly how Twitch ultimate works.
I am the Town Medic.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 22 2014 16:25 GMT
#212
I've played jungle since season 2 and I learned how to time things. However, I'm not opposed to something that helps people manage time and be better players overall. For example, I have a friend who is Diamond I and he doesn't know baron timer.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 22 2014 16:31 GMT
#213
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln


"Rat-a-tat-tat" implies a bonus attack speed or continual damage ability. "Spray and Pray" implies area damage which does a whole bunch if you hit multiple people but not much if you only hit a few. "Spray and Pray" resembles the actual functionality much much more closely.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 22 2014 16:40 GMT
#214
As a mac user (I know...), I find Curse Voice pretty damn distressing.

Even without the timers it's completely unfair that a portion of the player base won't be able to talk to their teammates - being able to communicate is an ENORMOUS advantage in split second engages. There have been so many times in botlane where I've wanted to tell my support or adc to go on a certain target and we end up splitting our damage. Now because I don't own the right computer (even though Riot supports the computer I use) I have a massive disadvantage.

I really don't understand why they're allowing this, it's definitely making me consider dropping league and playing other games. I don't want to have to purchase another computer to be on an even playing field as others, I can't afford it, and even if I did have another computer it'd really suck to see the game devolve into having to download the latest, best 3rd party program so you can be on an even footing with your opponents.

I'm sorry if all this has already been said, but the way they're approaching this really disturbs me.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 22 2014 16:40 GMT
#215
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln

"Shooting's easy. Aiming's hard."
- post-VU Twitch

I stand by Spray-and-Pray.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 22 2014 16:42 GMT
#216
On April 23 2014 00:54 Nos- wrote:
Or you can press Z

Red and Blue buff don't show up on Z.
Administrator@TL_Zess
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 22 2014 16:50 GMT
#217
On April 23 2014 01:31 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability.

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln


"Rat-a-tat-tat" implies a bonus attack speed or continual damage ability. "Spray and Pray" implies area damage which does a whole bunch if you hit multiple people but not much if you only hit a few. "Spray and Pray" resembles the actual functionality much much more closely.

you guys remember when ambush gave you like 80% attack speed, and twitches ult gave you pierce, and like 140% attack speed?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
April 22 2014 17:02 GMT
#218
Has "darkness" at the end of each GD always had the sfx? confused the hell out of me...
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 22 2014 17:08 GMT
#219
On April 23 2014 02:02 Dgiese wrote:
Has "darkness" at the end of each GD always had the sfx? confused the hell out of me...


Only when Neo does it. Moonbear does random shit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/446453-patch-44-cuddly-incoming-ヽωノ?page=158

^ps this is why you don't put smileys in URLs, look at this abomination
I am the Town Medic.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 17:20:12
April 22 2014 17:15 GMT
#220
On April 23 2014 01:05 BlasiuS wrote:
Spray and Pray doesn't make sense because it implies that twitch just fires in random directions.

Meanwhile Rat-a-tat-tat more closely resembles the actual functionality of the ability. <- lol

continue tipping your rose-colored glasses nostalgists.

PS: Final Spark > Finales Funkeln <- lol

lol pls
God Bless
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