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On April 18 2014 01:39 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 01:37 nafta wrote:On April 18 2014 01:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
You don't want the ball away from you anyway because a good leblanc can easily dodge any Q harass with distortion and destroy you while your ball is away. I'd rather keep the ball on me for the extra armor/MR and immediate shield. If you q her it is impossible for her to hit you with w AND dodge your ball You realize that lb is ranged too right? She doesn't have to land on you with distortion. If Ori miss Q, all her other offensive spells are useless. lb can still use q, r, and e without landing w.
If lb doesn't max w she can't lane vs ori at all.It isn't exactly hard to notice either.
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Obviously always keep the ball close to you ^^
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thats a new one, just got game dropped as soon as the game started. was thinking something was wrong with my comp and then poof game is gone. getting a little out of hand..
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On April 18 2014 01:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats a new one, just got game dropped as soon as the game started. was thinking something was wrong with my comp and then poof game is gone. getting a little out of hand..
Probably someone had to play a role they didn't want.I got drop hacked 2 times out of 4 games today lol.
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On April 18 2014 01:22 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 00:50 schmutttt wrote:On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her. yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back. If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs Kayle: extremely easy lane imo. if she goes in QE autoattack .... Haven't tried it yet but taking exhaust here as kayle seems pretty good as it makes it easier to chase her even after she distorts back.
I thought lb was one of kayles harder lanes
The silence makes trading a bit of a pain, and if you default to chasing her to win trades, you're just asking for a chain into gank into sadness.
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Uhhhh you are all forgetting the best counter to LB... Huehuehuehuehuehuehue
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On April 18 2014 01:05 Alaric wrote:
LB gives me trouble as Ori but then again I'm rusty mid and I run Ignite out of habit. I assume the goal is to smash LB at early levels and punish her farming using her passive, take E at level 2, and keep punishing her with shield -> autos everytime she engages (shield as soon as the Q comes up so she doesn't silence you before, then right-click her), and you stay in your minions so that she can easily E you and you don't take aggro when you auto her, then at later levels since she'll outtrade you and dodge your spells easily (I assume a good LB will make sure that you're silenced long enough for her to leave if you put the ball on her Distortion mark and she comes back to it) you just push the wave then walk away so she can't harass you too hard?
Start e and trade as much as possible at level 1 before lb can combo to silence you, if you can shield her silence combo you should walk in on her and keep autoing while you chase her back since after she combos she cant do anything at all and your sustained damage is much higher. Later levels just keep the ball out in the wave so your qw combos can harass her really easily from outside of anything but wqe range and leblanc is insanely squishy. You have to ward both sides of mid all game however since jungler will really fuck that matchup up badly for you.
I used to take barrier on most matchups because ori does a ton of damage without ignite but if their laner is something you can kill without worrying much about dying to them ignite is fine, I havent been able to test heal much but it would probably be even better.
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Tbh whenever I try to harass people with autos as Orianna I take more damage than them because of minions. 525 range is annoying, plus the caster minions seem to follow incredibly far once they aggro you (I walked a good 400 units behind my melee minions once and they were still trying to chase me and attacked me).
I could position better (eg. to a side although that'd let her just go to the other), but isn't it super easy for her to just either stand in her wave, or in a way such that if you try to zone/harass her from your melee minions you'll draw aggro because you'll have to get close to her caster minions to be in range to auto her?
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Talking about counters to Leblanc, Veigar does really well against her.
Early lane can be kinda iffy, but if you can survive/not get allined pre 5, you start trading pretty well with her. Stunning lb when she w's in to prevent the jumpback is really really strong, and if your jungler is there is a free kill.
Post 6 you can just stun and one shot her whenever she goes in, and she can't even w over your stun without getting hit.
Late game you just destroy her, stun and blow up whenever she goes in to harass or anything.
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On April 18 2014 05:36 dae wrote:
Talking about counters to Leblanc, Veigar does really well against her.
Early lane can be kinda iffy, but if you can survive/not get allined pre 5, you start trading pretty well with her. Stunning lb when she w's in to prevent the jumpback is really really strong, and if your jungler is there is a free kill.
Post 6 you can just stun and one shot her whenever she goes in, and she can't even w over your stun without getting hit.
Late game you just destroy her, stun and blow up whenever she goes in to harass or anything.
Veigar vs. LB is almost impossible above like, IDK, ~60 ping, unless you're insanely good at predicting and reading her, in which case you can probably outplay her with any other hero anyways.
IDK about under 60 ping but I know with my terror 120 ping it's impossible to stun in time when she W's in before she silences (and one shots) you.
I'm skeptical about Veigar vs. LB even in LAN anyways, pretty sure she can blow you up at will with much shorter CD than you can blow her up at will, and her point click silence is much easier to hit if she's creative with her movements.
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On April 18 2014 05:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 05:36 dae wrote:
Talking about counters to Leblanc, Veigar does really well against her.
Early lane can be kinda iffy, but if you can survive/not get allined pre 5, you start trading pretty well with her. Stunning lb when she w's in to prevent the jumpback is really really strong, and if your jungler is there is a free kill.
Post 6 you can just stun and one shot her whenever she goes in, and she can't even w over your stun without getting hit.
Late game you just destroy her, stun and blow up whenever she goes in to harass or anything. Veigar vs. LB is almost impossible above like ~60 ping, unless you're insanely good at predicting and reading her, in which case you can probably outplay her with any other hero anyways.
? When she w's in just toss stun in her way, if she goes over it she gets stunned, its really easy to land. Pretty much easiest stun to land ever since you don't even have to hit her directly.
This is honestly a very one sided matchup, as long as you dont be stupid and try and fight her lvl 2-4.
She cant blow you up if she gets stunned and dies before the stun runs off.
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On April 18 2014 05:39 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 05:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 18 2014 05:36 dae wrote:
Talking about counters to Leblanc, Veigar does really well against her.
Early lane can be kinda iffy, but if you can survive/not get allined pre 5, you start trading pretty well with her. Stunning lb when she w's in to prevent the jumpback is really really strong, and if your jungler is there is a free kill.
Post 6 you can just stun and one shot her whenever she goes in, and she can't even w over your stun without getting hit.
Late game you just destroy her, stun and blow up whenever she goes in to harass or anything. Veigar vs. LB is almost impossible above like ~60 ping, unless you're insanely good at predicting and reading her, in which case you can probably outplay her with any other hero anyways. ? When she w's in just toss stun in her way, if she goes over it she gets stunned, its really easy to land. Pretty much easiest stun to land ever since you don't even have to hit her directly.
What's your ping? It doesn't work when you have more than like 50? 70? lol.
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On April 18 2014 05:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 05:39 dae wrote:On April 18 2014 05:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 18 2014 05:36 dae wrote:
Talking about counters to Leblanc, Veigar does really well against her.
Early lane can be kinda iffy, but if you can survive/not get allined pre 5, you start trading pretty well with her. Stunning lb when she w's in to prevent the jumpback is really really strong, and if your jungler is there is a free kill.
Post 6 you can just stun and one shot her whenever she goes in, and she can't even w over your stun without getting hit.
Late game you just destroy her, stun and blow up whenever she goes in to harass or anything. Veigar vs. LB is almost impossible above like ~60 ping, unless you're insanely good at predicting and reading her, in which case you can probably outplay her with any other hero anyways. ? When she w's in just toss stun in her way, if she goes over it she gets stunned, its really easy to land. Pretty much easiest stun to land ever since you don't even have to hit her directly. What's your ping? It doesn't work when you have more than like 50? 70? lol.
I play with between 20-100 ping depending on the day.
Still its pretty obvious when she wants to go in, and its not like you can't just stun and harass her anyways before she does since you outrange her pretty hard.
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Yeah LB telegraphs wanting to go in on you pretty hard. It's not difficult to predict/react before she jumps.
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Huekasier!!!!!!! Has no one tried this? despite the fact that you will get ganked a lot(buy a damn ward or two) you basically can not die to her f you don't get completely outplayed. At least that is how it has worked around plat1 D5 area
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You shouldn't ever die 1v1 in lane though, and the real test comes on if you can kill her in skirmishes and roams, at which point a lo tof it comes down to vision control or positioning.
Yeah Veigar counters her in that he can one shot her, but the reverse is true as well, and a lot of it comes down to positioning and taking advantage of cooldowns. It's at best a soft counter that can easily go horribly horribly wrong.
and besides, a lot of Veigar's strengths in matchups he really shouldn't win comes from the fact that people see like 1 Veigar a month and tend to forget he can one shot you and do stupid shit as a result. Against smart opponents, pretty sure Leblanc is favored, not to mention the whole host of other problems that Veigar has when moving out of laning phase and into late game/skirmishes/roaming/etc.
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On April 18 2014 05:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You shouldn't ever die 1v1 in lane though, and the real test comes on if you can kill her in skirmishes and roams, at which point a lo tof it comes down to vision control or positioning.
Yeah Veigar counters her in that he can one shot her, but the reverse is true as well, and a lot of it comes down to positioning and taking advantage of cooldowns. It's at best a soft counter that can easily go horribly horribly wrong.
and besides, a lot of Veigar's strengths in matchups he really shouldn't win comes from the fact that people see like 1 Veigar a month and tend to forget he can one shot you and do stupid shit as a result. Against smart opponents, pretty sure Leblanc is favored, not to mention the whole host of other problems that Veigar has when moving out of laning phase and into late game/skirmishes/roaming/etc.
Dude.
I've played the matchup like 10 times in D1. As long as you don't do stupid shit in lane and die lvl 2-4 you win HARD.
Leblanc sucks at waveclear, if she gets behind you can literally zone her as Veigar. If she builds tanky good job you made their assassin pretty worthless.
In teamfights you force her to basically do nothing until your stun is down or else she will just die for free.
Best Leblanc I've seen literally abandoned midlane lvl 6 and just roamed, and got bot fed.
Sure Leblanc can one shot Veigar but that should only ever happen if she catches you when you have nothing up, and in that case you kinda deserve to die. Veigar has alot of problems, especially stuff like zed/nocturne/syndra, and a bunch of other stuff, but Leblanc is not one of them.
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On April 18 2014 06:05 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 05:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You shouldn't ever die 1v1 in lane though, and the real test comes on if you can kill her in skirmishes and roams, at which point a lo tof it comes down to vision control or positioning.
Yeah Veigar counters her in that he can one shot her, but the reverse is true as well, and a lot of it comes down to positioning and taking advantage of cooldowns. It's at best a soft counter that can easily go horribly horribly wrong.
and besides, a lot of Veigar's strengths in matchups he really shouldn't win comes from the fact that people see like 1 Veigar a month and tend to forget he can one shot you and do stupid shit as a result. Against smart opponents, pretty sure Leblanc is favored, not to mention the whole host of other problems that Veigar has when moving out of laning phase and into late game/skirmishes/roaming/etc. Dude. I've played the matchup like 10 times in D1. As long as you don't do stupid shit in lane and die lvl 2-4 you win HARD. Leblanc sucks at waveclear, if she gets behind you can literally zone her as Veigar. If she builds tanky good job you made their assassin pretty worthless. In teamfights you force her to basically do nothing until your stun is down or else she will just die for free. Best Leblanc I've seen literally abandoned midlane lvl 6 and just roamed, and got bot fed.
Well, yeah, and what can Veigar do to combat that? can't follow her down the river she can just ambush and own you, you can just push her shit in but let's be real it's not like first tower even matters anymore.
Your entire thing is based on LB getting behind,, and I mean, you can substitute Leblanc with any hero cause Veigar snowballs hard, it's not some special dynamic present only in the Veigar-LB matchups.
Leblanc's 100-to-0 you CD is on 30-40 seconds. Veigar's is on 2 minutes ~_~
Teamfights are literally all positioning.
And this is just all bullshit 1v1 stuff, in 2v2 and skirmishes Leblanc is so much more useful, and junglers have a much easier time ganking Veigar than ganking a Leblanc.
On April 18 2014 06:08 FinestHour wrote:
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I have self respect I don't play Leblanc.
+ Show Spoiler +I play a game of Leblanc every 3 months or so and always end up regretting my decision lomo.
She was like the third hero I ever bought too lomo.
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