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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 17 2014 15:26 GMT
#1901
Really the only way to gank a LB is to know her shit's not warded and bait her into using distortion on you before the jungler goes in.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 17 2014 15:28 GMT
#1902
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 17 2014 15:29 GMT
#1903
On April 18 2014 00:06 Alzadar wrote:
Surprised to see no mention of Miss Fortune by DL, she's a monster laner now and heal debuffs are in high demand. I guess he's never liked her much, right?

no escape
BW -> League -> CSGO
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 17 2014 15:30 GMT
#1904
Oh shit graves is strong again?
Maybe I come back to LoL.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 17 2014 15:32 GMT
#1905
Also, for what it's worth.

Soraka mid is hilarious right now.

She's always had a super oppressive early laning phase that you can't possibly screw up because any moron can play her, but now that Heal removes healing debuffs to let her other heals have full effect her teamfight is like way stronger too.

I have been practicing her in normals and it's SO fun. The only champ I haven't just completely destroyed in lane so far is Ziggs.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 17 2014 15:41 GMT
#1906
On April 18 2014 00:29 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:06 Alzadar wrote:
Surprised to see no mention of Miss Fortune by DL, she's a monster laner now and heal debuffs are in high demand. I guess he's never liked her much, right?

no escape

Just don't get hit and walk away.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 17 2014 15:50 GMT
#1907
On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though


Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 17 2014 15:51 GMT
#1908
Scarra back for playoffs is perfect. Ipl 4 support 1hypercarry dig es best dig.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 17 2014 15:59 GMT
#1909
On April 18 2014 00:50 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though


Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs

Orianna/soraka rek lb pretty hard.Other champs are 50/50 like syndra/zed/nida.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
April 17 2014 16:04 GMT
#1910
On April 18 2014 00:59 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:50 schmutttt wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though


Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs

Orianna/soraka rek lb pretty hard.Other champs are 50/50 like syndra/zed/nida.


They don't really "rek" her. They can farm safely and not get killed by her. lb is a lot more opportunistic. If the opposing jungler gank mid a lot or if your own jungler decides at any point that it's a good idea to farm wraith with 20% health then lb can take advantage of it.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 17 2014 16:05 GMT
#1911
LB gives me trouble as Ori but then again I'm rusty mid and I run Ignite out of habit. I assume the goal is to smash LB at early levels and punish her farming using her passive, take E at level 2, and keep punishing her with shield -> autos everytime she engages (shield as soon as the Q comes up so she doesn't silence you before, then right-click her), and you stay in your minions so that she can easily E you and you don't take aggro when you auto her, then at later levels since she'll outtrade you and dodge your spells easily (I assume a good LB will make sure that you're silenced long enough for her to leave if you put the ball on her Distortion mark and she comes back to it) you just push the wave then walk away so she can't harass you too hard?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 16:20:27
April 17 2014 16:18 GMT
#1912
On April 18 2014 01:04 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:59 nafta wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:50 schmutttt wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though


Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs

Orianna/soraka rek lb pretty hard.Other champs are 50/50 like syndra/zed/nida.


They don't really "rek" her. They can farm safely and not get killed by her. lb is a lot more opportunistic. If the opposing jungler gank mid a lot or if your own jungler decides at any point that it's a good idea to farm wraith with 20% health then lb can take advantage of it.

Well ofc when jungler camps you you can lose any matchup.That doesn't mean those champions aren't good vs her.As far as I understood the guy's comment he asked what champs can trade and do well vs her 1v1 and those 2 straight up win if your jungler keeps up with theirs and covers you.

Ori vs lb you start shield lvl 1 so you don't take creep dmg and you just poke her and make her drink pots.You can get 2/3 points in shield if you feel you need to and you can just q her when she tries to cs.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 16:23:51
April 17 2014 16:22 GMT
#1913
On April 18 2014 00:50 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 00:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 18 2014 00:21 nafta wrote:
Problem with leblanc is junglers.She is really hard to gank while she is really good to setup ganks.1v1 vs her really isn't hard at all.A lot of champs can reck her.


yep that's my experience playing both as and against leblanc as well. many champs beat her just fine in a 1v1. The trick is to stand in creeps to have a higher chance of dodging the chain (early w doesn't clear the wave) and biggest mistake I see people make is that they run away after her QW instead of just standing there and fight back.

If the jungler is smart and camps mid then she's a bitch to play against though


Who are these said champs outside lulu and maybe ziggs


Concurring with nafta again here.

Zed: Farm lane for the most part. 21/9 + Doran's shield and Leblanc might bully you around for a bit at lvl 2-3 but from my experience she can't take you low to critical levels before she's actually already oom. You win the lane if she just messes up her combo once and misses the chain after QW. Then again Exhaust is op now so I'd not really play Zed. (Leblanc is probably one of the best remaining assassins because she bursts you so fast that you can't exhaust)

Syndra: Many believe Leblanc wins this MU but I think it's 60/40 for Syndra ( iirc Bjergsen said Syndra beats Leblanc, as well) Bullies super hard at lvl 1. If you hit 1 or 2 qs and she goes in on you at lvl 2 then just stand your ground and hit her. She's going to lose the all in.
It's pretty obvious when she's going to distort into you so you might have to practice it a few games but you'll stun her 100% of the time with QE (1.5sec is pretty op) and you kill her during the stun especially post 6. LB is basically never going to reach/kill you except if you facecheck a brush or if she's using WRQE but that gimps her dmg.

Fizz: Kinda obvious. E when she uses W to proc her Q > proceed to rape her.

Kayle: extremely easy lane imo. if she goes in QE autoattack .... Haven't tried it yet but taking exhaust here as kayle seems pretty good as it makes it easier to chase her even after she distorts back.

edit: oh and yeah as Alaric said Ori is like the primeexample of a champ where you just shield yourself continue to chase autoattack her after she used her combo because you actually outdmg her pretty hard early.


I'm not saying these guys counter leblanc but there are a lot of champs that have a pretty easy time vs her.


Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 17 2014 16:25 GMT
#1914
Maybe they should make LeBlanc's W do reduced damage to minions or something. Her laning power is a bit broken right now and the only way to punish her is to wait until she makes a mistake.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 17 2014 16:30 GMT
#1915
problem i see with ori vs leblanc, is the delay in the shield. Leblanc's combos/harass are usually instant. Unless you have godly reaction time, I'd say for the most part leblanc can play out the lane better than ori. At the highest level though, I think Ori is a bit favor'd in that matchup
liftlift > tsm
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 17 2014 16:32 GMT
#1916
On April 18 2014 01:30 wei2coolman wrote:
problem i see with ori vs leblanc, is the delay in the shield. Leblanc's combos/harass are usually instant. Unless you have godly reaction time, I'd say for the most part leblanc can play out the lane better than ori. At the highest level though, I think Ori is a bit favor'd in that matchup

if you're maxing E you don't need to try to zone with it, shield and auto, there's negligible delay on the shield if the ball's already on you.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
April 17 2014 16:36 GMT
#1917
You don't want the ball away from you anyway because a good leblanc can easily dodge any Q harass with distortion and destroy you while your ball is away. I'd rather keep the ball on me for the extra armor/MR and immediate shield.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 16:37:58
April 17 2014 16:37 GMT
#1918
On April 18 2014 01:30 wei2coolman wrote:
problem i see with ori vs leblanc, is the delay in the shield. Leblanc's combos/harass are usually instant. Unless you have godly reaction time, I'd say for the most part leblanc can play out the lane better than ori. At the highest level though, I think Ori is a bit favor'd in that matchup


Your goal isn't really to "beat" the LB though. It's merely to stop the LB getting kills and forcing a farm lane. Don't max E either to my knowledge. Get maybe 2 points early but that's about it.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 17 2014 16:37 GMT
#1919
On April 18 2014 01:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
You don't want the ball away from you anyway because a good leblanc can easily dodge any Q harass with distortion and destroy you while your ball is away. I'd rather keep the ball on me for the extra armor/MR and immediate shield.

If you q her it is impossible for her to hit you with w AND dodge your ball
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
April 17 2014 16:39 GMT
#1920
On April 18 2014 01:37 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 01:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
You don't want the ball away from you anyway because a good leblanc can easily dodge any Q harass with distortion and destroy you while your ball is away. I'd rather keep the ball on me for the extra armor/MR and immediate shield.

If you q her it is impossible for her to hit you with w AND dodge your ball


You realize that lb is ranged too right? She doesn't have to land on you with distortion. If Ori miss Q, all her other offensive spells are useless. lb can still use q, r, and e without landing w.
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