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spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
April 17 2014 06:50 GMT
#1861
On April 17 2014 13:46 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/spellsy-s-stats-super-show-episode-2-champion-diversity/1100-1237/

man, seeing this champ diversity video about lcs, really exemplifies how shitty the champ pool for s4 has been.

though i disagree with his analysis that clg/tsm/c9 have small champ pool (imo it represents the fact that they had no problem transitioning with the meta from before, to the current meta now, shows they have a solid champ pool).

it wasnt saying exclusively that tsm/clg/c9 have small champ pool, but if riot was to want to reward people (the people who can make the most plays on the most different champions have an advantage) then it should be pointing to the top right. Right now its either flat line, or bottom right angled.

right now, having a diverse pool isnt naturally rewarding, when you can just play the OP champs.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 07:01:43
April 17 2014 07:01 GMT
#1862
On April 17 2014 15:50 spellsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 13:46 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/spellsy-s-stats-super-show-episode-2-champion-diversity/1100-1237/

man, seeing this champ diversity video about lcs, really exemplifies how shitty the champ pool for s4 has been.

though i disagree with his analysis that clg/tsm/c9 have small champ pool (imo it represents the fact that they had no problem transitioning with the meta from before, to the current meta now, shows they have a solid champ pool).

it wasnt saying exclusively that tsm/clg/c9 have small champ pool, but if riot was to want to reward people (the people who can make the most plays on the most different champions have an advantage) then it should be pointing to the top right. Right now its either flat line, or bottom right angled.

right now, having a diverse pool isnt naturally rewarding, when you can just play the OP champs.

true enough.

either way. champ pool is so shit right now.
liftlift > tsm
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
April 17 2014 07:18 GMT
#1863
On April 17 2014 15:50 spellsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 13:46 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/spellsy-s-stats-super-show-episode-2-champion-diversity/1100-1237/

man, seeing this champ diversity video about lcs, really exemplifies how shitty the champ pool for s4 has been.

though i disagree with his analysis that clg/tsm/c9 have small champ pool (imo it represents the fact that they had no problem transitioning with the meta from before, to the current meta now, shows they have a solid champ pool).

it wasnt saying exclusively that tsm/clg/c9 have small champ pool, but if riot was to want to reward people (the people who can make the most plays on the most different champions have an advantage) then it should be pointing to the top right. Right now its either flat line, or bottom right angled.

right now, having a diverse pool isnt naturally rewarding, when you can just play the OP champs.



As a counterpoint, losing teams have more roster shakeups which introduces people with different champ pools and artificially makes losing teams seem more diverse. Also losing teams are probably more inclined to try new things to shake things up, even without roster changes.


In general, I'd also posit that right after season changes, there's a peak in general imbalance in the game as they've shifted core systems around, and it'll settle back down as the season drags on. Not just game imbalance, but an information deficit in the metagame as well.
Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 08:07:49
April 17 2014 08:01 GMT
#1864
4 months isnt exactly right after season changes
not counting feral flare for obvious reasons
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JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
April 17 2014 08:15 GMT
#1865
On April 17 2014 17:01 FinestHour wrote:
4 months isnt exactly right after season changes
not counting feral flare for obvious reasons


The first superweek wasn't even on 4.1. The season started a while ago, and they play a week or two in the past in regards to changes.
Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
April 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#1866
Guys, wanna try some aatrox play (mostly top). What are the advantages for maxing W or Q 2nd? I see that E is always maxed 1st, but some people max W some Q 2nd, what are the reasons behind?
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 10:31:34
April 17 2014 10:31 GMT
#1867
W gives you more damage and sustain Q gives you more "burst" and mostly shorter CD, so you can jump in and out more often. I never maxed Q tbh.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 17 2014 10:31 GMT
#1868
I feel like E>Q is for max damage output? E>W is for sustain?
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
April 17 2014 10:49 GMT
#1869
On April 17 2014 19:31 739 wrote:
I feel like E>Q is for max damage output? E>W is for sustain?


Let's see

Difference between rank 1 Q and rank 5: 4s CD, 180 damage, scaling with 60% bonus AD. Difference between rank 1 W and rank 5 (damage wise): 140 scaling with 100% bonus AD.

1 tick of W will do more damage than 1 Q at above 100 bonus AD.

Q damage will scale with CDR, W damage will scale with AS. Getting AS is incredibly easy (BORK/FF), the only way W will not do more damage is if you can't get autos off.

The only reason I could see to go E>Q is if you need the CDR on Q that badly, but I can't think of any scenarios that would fit.
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
April 17 2014 10:52 GMT
#1870
On April 17 2014 19:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 19:31 739 wrote:
I feel like E>Q is for max damage output? E>W is for sustain?


Let's see

Difference between rank 1 Q and rank 5: 4s CD, 180 damage, scaling with 60% bonus AD. Difference between rank 1 W and rank 5 (damage wise): 140 scaling with 100% bonus AD.

1 tick of W will do more damage than 1 Q at above 100 bonus AD.

Q damage will scale with CDR, W damage will scale with AS. Getting AS is incredibly easy (BORK/FF), the only way W will not do more damage is if you can't get autos off.

The only reason I could see to go E>Q is if you need the CDR on Q that badly, but I can't think of any scenarios that would fit.


Maybe in top matchups where you want to be able to jump on them as much as possible? Like for example I know you can max Q on jax in certain matchups versus ranged opponents.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 11:18:13
April 17 2014 11:17 GMT
#1871
On April 17 2014 19:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 19:31 739 wrote:
I feel like E>Q is for max damage output? E>W is for sustain?


Let's see

Difference between rank 1 Q and rank 5: 4s CD, 180 damage, scaling with 60% bonus AD. Difference between rank 1 W and rank 5 (damage wise): 140 scaling with 100% bonus AD.

1 tick of W will do more damage than 1 Q at above 100 bonus AD.

Q damage will scale with CDR, W damage will scale with AS. Getting AS is incredibly easy (BORK/FF), the only way W will not do more damage is if you can't get autos off.

The only reason I could see to go E>Q is if you need the CDR on Q that badly, but I can't think of any scenarios that would fit.

Yes you should always

E>W>Q basic combo is, proc 3rd hit, jump auto/e then auto again, doing that twice will literally kill almost any top laner.

when you get 6/cutlass you can just all in with the blood price proc and kill like anyone, its really stupid

also, should never need lower Q cd, you can just spam E to harass since it has pretty good range tbh.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 17 2014 11:27 GMT
#1872
On April 17 2014 14:55 Nemireck wrote:
I have an idea Sufficiency.

Since I'm now a legitimate gold player who carried himself through promos, I will duo queue with you and you will have a reliable Miss Fortune ADC to count on for Baron calls and other objectives.

It just makes sense.


Sure we can duo more if you want.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 17 2014 11:30 GMT
#1873
Anyone up for duo with me? I can play a solid jungle/adc/support but I main junglers/supports. Would be cool to have someone that mains top/adc/mid. I'm currently Silver 1, need 2 wins to get to Gold promos.

EUW, EatMySpell in game. Anyone?
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#1874
What's the counterplay to LeBlanc?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 17 2014 11:50 GMT
#1875
On April 17 2014 20:42 AlterKot wrote:
What's the counterplay to LeBlanc?


Ban her.
hi
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 11:56:45
April 17 2014 11:54 GMT
#1876
On April 17 2014 20:42 AlterKot wrote:
What's the counterplay to LeBlanc?

Don't die in lane. Play a long range farmer that can stay out of her kill range. You could also play someone that can shove well so she has to use Distortion to farm, rather than kill you. Don't die in lane. Get a Negatron early if things start looking grim. Apparently some people play Veigar with some success vs her, but I've never done it personally (I stick with my two best when versing her, and just use my knowledge of them to at least go even). Hope your team mates ward well so she doesn't get too many kills from roaming. Don't die in lane. If she does get ahead, go for a Banshees without delay, and convince your team to do the same. And make sure you don't die in lane, if she's going to get fed, let her feed on someone else.

Honestly LeBlanc is tough at the moment.

IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#1877
i've had most trouble vs. fizz as lb
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#1878
On April 17 2014 20:42 AlterKot wrote:
What's the counterplay to LeBlanc?


Some people say Galio but I think Galio is just a terrible champ so I wouldn't bother with him. Either ban her or play something like Ziggs that can afk farm (He can also trade with her pre 6 and post 6 he should have enough items to just waveclear safely).
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 17 2014 13:01 GMT
#1879
http://blog.ibuypower.com/blog/2014/04/16/patch-4-5-solo-queue/

Is anyone taking him serious anymore? Renekton top, Soraka mid, TF, Graves? LOL
hi
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 17 2014 13:07 GMT
#1880
TF top tier?

:/
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