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On April 07 2014 11:54 cLutZ wrote:
Out of those 3, I really dont understand the need to Rework Nidalee or Warwick. Balancing both of them seems incredibly easy.
Nidalee: Do nothing. If you must do something, decrease the base damage on her lvl 6 cougar form so its not merely "survive until 6" for Nidalee, maybe "Survive until 11 and/or 1 full item".
Warwick: Make Frozen Heart a Competitive item again, make wits end a competitive item, give chalice a tank upgrade. Most importantly, ACTUALLY BALANCE TOPLANE AND JUNGLE IN A SANE MANNER.
Maybe you and I have different versions of incredibly easy, but I can't imagine balancing jungle and top lane is that easy. Unless you're just underselling it for dramatic effect?
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On April 07 2014 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 11:48 Scip wrote:On April 07 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
dw guys they are apparently ruining, i mean "reworking" warwick, nidalee, and fiora as well. Eventually they will make every champion reworked into a boring piece of shit nobody wants to play and then it will be even. Someone hasn't eaten their fair share of happy candy today that and I have 150 fiora games my most played -_- always nice when a champion you spend countless hours learning all their MUs (top and mid so there's even more to learn then usual) and then riot just decides fuck you kid.
I have 400+ games on Skarner, yet I did not despair. I directed all my efforts into adapting faster than others, trying to get an edge that way. Ultimately, complaining on TL forums about Riot's balance/design decisions won't make you feel better, but doing well on new champions will :3
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On April 07 2014 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 11:48 Scip wrote:On April 07 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
dw guys they are apparently ruining, i mean "reworking" warwick, nidalee, and fiora as well. Eventually they will make every champion reworked into a boring piece of shit nobody wants to play and then it will be even. Someone hasn't eaten their fair share of happy candy today that and I have 150 fiora games my most played -_- always nice when a champion you spend countless hours learning all their MUs (top and mid so there's even more to learn then usual) and then riot just decides fuck you kid.
Your posts are really getting exceedingly Riot bashing recently, and you still haven't explained why.
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On April 07 2014 12:09 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:On April 07 2014 11:48 Scip wrote:On April 07 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
dw guys they are apparently ruining, i mean "reworking" warwick, nidalee, and fiora as well. Eventually they will make every champion reworked into a boring piece of shit nobody wants to play and then it will be even. Someone hasn't eaten their fair share of happy candy today that and I have 150 fiora games my most played -_- always nice when a champion you spend countless hours learning all their MUs (top and mid so there's even more to learn then usual) and then riot just decides fuck you kid. I have 400+ games on Skarner, yet I did not despair. I directed all my efforts into adapting faster than others, trying to get an edge that way. Ultimately, complaining on TL forums about Riot's balance/design decisions won't make you feel better, but doing well on new champions will :3
Not to mention Riot's basically said "We're gonna keep buffing Skarner until he's good again."
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On April 07 2014 12:17 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:On April 07 2014 11:48 Scip wrote:On April 07 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
dw guys they are apparently ruining, i mean "reworking" warwick, nidalee, and fiora as well. Eventually they will make every champion reworked into a boring piece of shit nobody wants to play and then it will be even. Someone hasn't eaten their fair share of happy candy today that and I have 150 fiora games my most played -_- always nice when a champion you spend countless hours learning all their MUs (top and mid so there's even more to learn then usual) and then riot just decides fuck you kid. Your posts are really getting exceedingly Riot bashing recently, and you still haven't explained why.
He tried to substitute happy candy with bitter berries, naughty boy.
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Individual champion balances hit certain people harder than others depending on how they approach the game. For most non-paying players, they feel that they are pigeonholed into a small subset of champions due to the game's champion business-model and rune/mastery system.
As a result they mostly develop on the back of that small list of champions and become very familiar with them. Since Riot's balance patches happen in relatively small chunks on a frequent basis, people can perceive changes to their favorite champions as what's basically a kick in the balls if that's what they play most of the time. It also doesn't help that Riot's "reworks" often involve a certain degree of homogenization in terms of kits and power curves.
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On April 07 2014 12:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
Individual champion balances hit certain people harder than others depending on how they approach the game. For most non-paying players, they feel that they are pigeonholed into a small subset of champions due to the game's champion business-model and rune/mastery system.
As a result they mostly develop on the back of that small list of champions and become very familiar with them. Since Riot's balance patches happen in relatively small chunks on a frequent basis, people can perceive changes to their favorite champions as what's basically a kick in the balls if that's what they play most of the time. It also doesn't help that Riot's "reworks" often involve a certain degree of homogenization in terms of kits and power curves.
this pretty much.
it was alright at first but have you guys seen the list of champions they have banished into obscurity lately with their reworks? its getting fairly high.
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I played against a support Gragas today. He was actually pretty effective as a support based on what I have seen (I know, just one game). He has a few different CC's and his R is a pretty decent peel.
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On April 07 2014 11:54 cLutZ wrote:
Out of those 3, I really dont understand the need to Rework Nidalee or Warwick. Balancing both of them seems incredibly easy.
Nidalee: Do nothing. If you must do something, decrease the base damage on her lvl 6 cougar form so its not merely "survive until 6" for Nidalee, maybe "Survive until 11 and/or 1 full item".
Warwick: Make Frozen Heart a Competitive item again, make wits end a competitive item, give chalice a tank upgrade. Most importantly, ACTUALLY BALANCE TOPLANE AND JUNGLE IN A SANE MANNER.
A chalice tank item would be insanely good. Malphite and Cho would love the shit out of that item too.
The thing with Nidalee isn't really that she's OP. It's more that she is probably the most bullshit thing to play against at the moment (I'm aware Yorick exists). The AP style is just infuriating. I chuck spears all day, I only need to hit a couple for an objective, you can't harass me because Heal, and if you try to all in me I jump away.
Now the Bruiser Nidalee style, there's potential there. Riot should just accentuate that and hit the AP style.
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Homogenization is almost as bad as toxic. Buzzwords suck.
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they should give glacial shroud the chalice passive, people might buy frozen heart then.
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Or maybe people should realize that Frozen Heart isn't a tank item.
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On April 07 2014 13:34 Gahlo wrote:
Homogenization is almost as bad as toxic. Buzzwords suck.
Defogging the riot-unapproved meta through modernization of homogenized choices and counterplay is what separates the good players from the truly great players
also toxic
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On April 07 2014 13:43 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 13:34 Gahlo wrote:
Homogenization is almost as bad as toxic. Buzzwords suck. Defogging the riot-unapproved meta through modernization of homogenized choices and counterplay is what separates the good players from the truly great players also toxic
if u spend your hard earned money on some skins you have a higher chance to be placed on blue side during ranked
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On April 07 2014 13:40 Gahlo wrote:
Or maybe people should realize that Frozen Heart isn't a tank item.
how so
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On April 07 2014 13:40 Gahlo wrote:
Or maybe people should realize that Frozen Heart isn't a tank item.
Not quite sure what you mean. It is a terrible buy against a lot of lanes/teams, but it's not a bad item, just niche.
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On April 07 2014 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 12:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
Individual champion balances hit certain people harder than others depending on how they approach the game. For most non-paying players, they feel that they are pigeonholed into a small subset of champions due to the game's champion business-model and rune/mastery system.
As a result they mostly develop on the back of that small list of champions and become very familiar with them. Since Riot's balance patches happen in relatively small chunks on a frequent basis, people can perceive changes to their favorite champions as what's basically a kick in the balls if that's what they play most of the time. It also doesn't help that Riot's "reworks" often involve a certain degree of homogenization in terms of kits and power curves. this pretty much. it was alright at first but have you guys seen the list of champions they have banished into obscurity lately with their reworks? its getting fairly high.
Gragas and Kassadin only just got reworked over the last couple of weeks, so numbers still need some tweeking. Otherwise:
Miss Fortune - big increase in popularity and win rate
Skarner - nobody played him before anyways, and over the past couple of patches they've been giving him some buffs to bring him back.
Heimerdinger - huge increase in power and popularity
Olaf - has seen a decent amount of play in the LCS since rework
Karma - much better and more popular
Xerath - popularity remains around the same; win rate a bit lower
Sivir - huge increase in popularity and power
Master Yi - around the same I believe
Trundle - more popular and powerful since rework I believe
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On April 07 2014 13:55 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 13:40 Gahlo wrote:
Or maybe people should realize that Frozen Heart isn't a tank item. how so
Because the main reason to pick it over Randuins, the tank item, is for the CDR. CDR being a traditionally offensive stat. Are there purely defensive cooldowns it will get applied to? Yes. But overall it's a "I want this cc/damage faster" situation more often than not.
Kind of like pre-nerf SV, it was just massively warped by Perseverance.
On April 07 2014 14:00 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:On April 07 2014 12:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
Individual champion balances hit certain people harder than others depending on how they approach the game. For most non-paying players, they feel that they are pigeonholed into a small subset of champions due to the game's champion business-model and rune/mastery system.
As a result they mostly develop on the back of that small list of champions and become very familiar with them. Since Riot's balance patches happen in relatively small chunks on a frequent basis, people can perceive changes to their favorite champions as what's basically a kick in the balls if that's what they play most of the time. It also doesn't help that Riot's "reworks" often involve a certain degree of homogenization in terms of kits and power curves. this pretty much. it was alright at first but have you guys seen the list of champions they have banished into obscurity lately with their reworks? its getting fairly high. Gragas and Kassadin only just got reworked over the last couple of weeks, so numbers still need some tweeking. Otherwise: -snip-
Don't forget Kat!
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Are you purposely ignoring champions who got shitty reworks? Rengar wants a word with you.
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