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[Patch 4.5] Rune Rework General Discussion - Page 24

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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 01:21:13
April 05 2014 01:19 GMT
#461
Personally, I'm currently only using 19 of 20 rune pages and covering all 5 roles, with multiple rune pages for individual champions in every role. I'm not sure you could possibly need 100 rune pages, that is an overstatement.

I could make more personalized, individual matchup specific stuff if I was doing ranked 5's and knew what role I was playing, but for solo queue I think it's not hard to cover everything reasonably with 20 pages.

Not sure where the hate is coming from.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 05 2014 01:21 GMT
#462
not every one has the pleasure to own 20 rune pages, i have 4 and those changes really screwed me over
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
April 05 2014 01:31 GMT
#463
How did you even get by on four in the first place? That's not even one for every position.
Call me Sunday
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 05 2014 01:33 GMT
#464
Stop buying skins IMO.

Rune pages are like 2$ apiece. Unless you have literally put zero dollars into the game, you should have more than 4 rune pages.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
April 05 2014 01:37 GMT
#465
On April 05 2014 10:31 InfSunday wrote:
How did you even get by on four in the first place? That's not even one for every position.

Supports can use AD/AP/Tank rune pages. Junglers can use AD/AP/Tank. Four rune pages are fine.
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 05 2014 01:37 GMT
#466
On April 05 2014 10:31 InfSunday wrote:
How did you even get by on four in the first place? That's not even one for every position.

If you run split pen jungle or something or top lane its passable tbh. Esp if you play mostly tanky supports, or ap for squishy ones like annie or zyra.

i have 11 but i cant remember how i got them, i got a few with the 2for1 ip sale, and then maybe 1-2 with leftover rp
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 05 2014 01:38 GMT
#467
On April 05 2014 10:16 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 10:08 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 05 2014 10:02 nafta wrote:
On April 05 2014 10:00 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 05 2014 09:52 cLutZ wrote:
On April 05 2014 09:48 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 05 2014 09:33 kongoline wrote:
u just need twice as many pages now to cover every matchup otherwise u will be at disadvantage


Why...?

Its actually an understatement

Old runepage setup: Flat armor is the best nearly 100% of the time. This means you have X amount of rune setups with basically only 3 things to vary Reds, Blues (also usually not that much variance with MR or Scaling MR being most common, and fairly good all around).

New: Still the same situation for reds/blues/quints (and actually they changed that as well) X the number of potentially optimal Yellows. Sometimes that will be Flat armor as before, sometimes scaling armor, sometimes scaling HP, etc.

Basically, if you play more than 2 roles its probably unlikely that even with all runes + all rune pages you have the optimal rune setup for each match-up you will be playing.


Ok, but does it REALLY matter? How many people were actually making multiple pages for flat MR and scaling MR before?

Did it REALLY matter that flat armor was the best option?


I don't really care either way, but I think it's kinda ridiculous to act like now you suddenly need 100 rune pages to optimize every possible match up.

If there are multiple options instead of one how does it not mean you need more rune pages to optimize?

Nobody said that you HAVE to do it.You could play with no runes if you wanted.That doesn't change the fact that all those changes do is change the 205 rune with a 820 one(for some champs).


Because you don't HAVE to have 100% optimized runes for every single match up, especially since the people with few runes are generally going to be lower elo anyways. The majority of people are still just using flat armour seals.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 05 2014 01:40 GMT
#468
Really dont think you'd need but maybe 5-6 rune pages to deal with a certain lane tbh. Toplane i feel like would be the one to require the most, that or jungle.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 05 2014 01:41 GMT
#469
On April 05 2014 10:31 InfSunday wrote:
How did you even get by on four in the first place? That's not even one for every position.


When I first started playing ranked, I think my two pages were a support page with GP/10 quints and an AP page, so I used my support page for top Garen, jungle WW and ADC as well. I think I actually spent some money on the game to get more pages after I made it to like silver 4.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 05 2014 01:43 GMT
#470
On April 05 2014 09:38 Gahlo wrote:
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On April 05 2014 09:32 arb wrote:
Crs Saintvicious ‏@CrsStvicious 21m

Surprisingly feral flame is really good on nautilus, need to try it out a bit more but it feels nice.

ruh roh

Inc nerfs.


Pls no I wanna be able to use Naut again w/o getting flamed.
SUNSFANNED
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
April 05 2014 01:45 GMT
#471
I mean, I understand how you technically could get by on 4 rune pages, but it seems like it would heavily restrict your champion pool and/or be inefficient for a lot of champions.

Here I am thinking 7 is too few for me, but I need stuff to actually fill the pages up with first.
Call me Sunday
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 01:51:07
April 05 2014 01:50 GMT
#472
On April 05 2014 10:45 InfSunday wrote:
I mean, I understand how you technically could get by on 4 rune pages, but it seems like it would heavily restrict your champion pool and/or be inefficient for a lot of champions.

Here I am thinking 7 is too few for me, but I need stuff to actually fill the pages up with first.


You could do perfectly fine with an AD page for ADC/top, an AP page for mid (could even use for some supports), a jungle page and a dedicated support page. Yeah, it'd be tough to play certain champions, but you don't need to play every single one.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 02:01:06
April 05 2014 01:56 GMT
#473
On April 05 2014 10:45 InfSunday wrote:
I mean, I understand how you technically could get by on 4 rune pages, but it seems like it would heavily restrict your champion pool and/or be inefficient for a lot of champions.

Here I am thinking 7 is too few for me, but I need stuff to actually fill the pages up with first.

i almost never play ap so i keep 1 generic ap page, 3 others are ad for top/jungle/adc with some variations depending on what i decided to "main" that week (i usually play 1-3 champions over and over again until i get bored)
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
April 05 2014 02:14 GMT
#474
I think that it's interesting to note how differently number of rune pages causes players to play the game in a broader sense, contrasting Ketara to Kongoline. I have nothing interesting to say about it, though.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 05 2014 02:20 GMT
#475
Poll: What is the bigger minor inconvience?

Being unable to accept invites when you are a lobby host (pre patch) (4)
 
27%

Being unable to accept invites in a post game lobby (post patch) (11)
 
73%

15 total votes

Your vote: What is the bigger minor inconvience?

(Vote): Being unable to accept invites when you are a lobby host (pre patch)
(Vote): Being unable to accept invites in a post game lobby (post patch)



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you would expect a native English speaker to have written "which" but i don't want to make more polls
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 05 2014 02:49 GMT
#476
On April 05 2014 10:50 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 10:45 InfSunday wrote:
I mean, I understand how you technically could get by on 4 rune pages, but it seems like it would heavily restrict your champion pool and/or be inefficient for a lot of champions.

Here I am thinking 7 is too few for me, but I need stuff to actually fill the pages up with first.


You could do perfectly fine with an AD page for ADC/top, an AP page for mid (could even use for some supports), a jungle page and a dedicated support page. Yeah, it'd be tough to play certain champions, but you don't need to play every single one.


See, this is the same thing as the people who say, "You can totally be diamond playing Poppy, Garen, and Gangplank only top!

Which is true. But that means nothing, and is not even really a point. I could play Lulu without hybrid pen Reds, but the minute I got them not only was I significantly stronger, it was more fun to play her (which is really quite hard, because Lulu has been my favorite champion since release! Except Olaf for a while...)!

On top of that, the reality is that Riot just nerfed the route for people to take the "cheap way out" with 2-5 rune pages, because, at least with regard to Seals, they nerfed the cheapest ones to be suboptimal quite a bit of the time (particularly because of the other anti-snowball S4 measures). The motto for "being cheap" with runes was: AD/MPen Red + Arm Yello + MR/MRes Blue (your preference, maybe a mix) + Quints (Typically AD and AP, personally I used MS quints only for quite a while back when I was a blind pick hero).

That being said, I just randomed myself a Brolaf, Mafia Jinx, and Officer Cait, so nothing lol-related makes me sad at the moment.
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 05 2014 02:51 GMT
#477
I like how you're all griping about cost efficiency of runes, and then end your post saying you blew a bunch of money on stuff that gives no in game bonuses
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 03:11:19
April 05 2014 03:08 GMT
#478
Blow? Pssh. There is nothing better than the free RP!

Plus, I dont even need pages, I need teh runes, which are IP only.

And are super annoying to set up.
Freeeeeeedom
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 05 2014 03:20 GMT
#479
Well if you've ever spent IP on champs you could have bought those champs with your skin RP and used the IP on runes instead.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 04:04:31
April 05 2014 03:49 GMT
#480
On April 05 2014 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 10:50 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 05 2014 10:45 InfSunday wrote:
I mean, I understand how you technically could get by on 4 rune pages, but it seems like it would heavily restrict your champion pool and/or be inefficient for a lot of champions.

Here I am thinking 7 is too few for me, but I need stuff to actually fill the pages up with first.


You could do perfectly fine with an AD page for ADC/top, an AP page for mid (could even use for some supports), a jungle page and a dedicated support page. Yeah, it'd be tough to play certain champions, but you don't need to play every single one.


See, this is the same thing as the people who say, "You can totally be diamond playing Poppy, Garen, and Gangplank only top!

Which is true. But that means nothing, and is not even really a point. I could play Lulu without hybrid pen Reds, but the minute I got them not only was I significantly stronger, it was more fun to play her (which is really quite hard, because Lulu has been my favorite champion since release! Except Olaf for a while...)!

On top of that, the reality is that Riot just nerfed the route for people to take the "cheap way out" with 2-5 rune pages, because, at least with regard to Seals, they nerfed the cheapest ones to be suboptimal quite a bit of the time (particularly because of the other anti-snowball S4 measures). The motto for "being cheap" with runes was: AD/MPen Red + Arm Yello + MR/MRes Blue (your preference, maybe a mix) + Quints (Typically AD and AP, personally I used MS quints only for quite a while back when I was a blind pick hero).

That being said, I just randomed myself a Brolaf, Mafia Jinx, and Officer Cait, so nothing lol-related makes me sad at the moment.


From a quick look at Probuilds, there are multiple pros who play Lulu with magic pen marks, so I doubt it's a big deal. Every single person in my games so far whose runes I've looked at has been using flat armour seals. I don't really see how they're going to be suboptimal quite a bit of the time. I haven't done any calculations, but I assume you'll generally want them bot lane because there's an ADC, you'll almost always want them in the jungle and you'll want them the majority of the time top lane. So maybe now you'll want an extra AP page that'll be a tiny bit more effective in some situations.

It's like playing hockey and worrying about not having a $300 stick and not being able to change your curve in the middle of a play. Yeah, you don't have the absolutely ideal equipment for all situations, but probably neither does anyone else, and what you have is perfectly fine. You're not in the NHL; concentrate on improving your game instead.
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