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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 24 2014 14:24 GMT
#1281
On March 24 2014 14:09 nobodywonder wrote:
sweet thanks yo, well i hope i also can get the roffles seal of approval cancer

saw him destroy up a poor jinx guide

Yo its because that guy had the worst attitude ever and his guide was worse than Mobafire guides.
God Bless
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 24 2014 14:27 GMT
#1282
On March 24 2014 23:20 Zergneedsfood wrote:
How did you get those results wut? o_O


Logistic regression with an interaction term. The columns list the effect of the interaction term.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 24 2014 14:33 GMT
#1283
On March 24 2014 23:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 22:55 Eppa! wrote:
I am convinced that Cait is the best ADC in 90% of all games but i can't win for shit with her. Since i play all roles except jungle, ADC is my best role so I have 60-80 win rate on Ez, Varus, Twitch, Lucian, Sivir and MF but i can't play Cait at all for some reason and am at 40% while being my second most picked adc after Sivir at 25 games.

I feel like if you can abuse her you'll win very often, but most of the time the longer the game goes she gets alot weaker when the other adcs catch up on items. If you go even in lane shes basically an item down on your adc since shes missing a steroid which every other adc has in some way or form.

also Lulu is so hilariously broken its unreal. she can literally 1v5 anyteam without some form of gapcloser with glitterlance spam all the time

cait scales well into late based on her range alone. i suspect that the biggest reason why playing her feels unnatural is that she is a ''back to basics' carry with limited positioning tools whose contribution in fights comes almost entirely from autos. if playing with the mindset of ads that can press buttons to win midgame fights, problems will occur

there are also various power curve differences unique to cait but i don't think those are relevant to soloq
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 24 2014 14:54 GMT
#1284
On March 24 2014 23:24 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 14:09 nobodywonder wrote:
sweet thanks yo, well i hope i also can get the roffles seal of approval cancer

saw him destroy up a poor jinx guide

Yo its because that guy had the worst attitude ever and his guide was worse than Mobafire guides.


Link for anybody who is wondering what they're talking about.

/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 24 2014 14:54 GMT
#1285
On March 24 2014 23:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 22:55 Eppa! wrote:
I am convinced that Cait is the best ADC in 90% of all games but i can't win for shit with her. Since i play all roles except jungle, ADC is my best role so I have 60-80 win rate on Ez, Varus, Twitch, Lucian, Sivir and MF but i can't play Cait at all for some reason and am at 40% while being my second most picked adc after Sivir at 25 games.


also Lulu is so hilariously broken its unreal. she can literally 1v5 anyteam without some form of gapcloser with glitterlance spam all the time

Aka almost no teams?
Freeeeeeedom
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 14:55 GMT
#1286
On March 24 2014 23:54 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 23:10 arb wrote:
On March 24 2014 22:55 Eppa! wrote:
I am convinced that Cait is the best ADC in 90% of all games but i can't win for shit with her. Since i play all roles except jungle, ADC is my best role so I have 60-80 win rate on Ez, Varus, Twitch, Lucian, Sivir and MF but i can't play Cait at all for some reason and am at 40% while being my second most picked adc after Sivir at 25 games.


also Lulu is so hilariously broken its unreal. she can literally 1v5 anyteam without some form of gapcloser with glitterlance spam all the time

Aka almost no teams?

even if something like k6 jumped on you, you just polymorph him and run away and laugh, then continue to rain death and glitterlance all over them
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 24 2014 15:03 GMT
#1287
On March 24 2014 23:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 23:24 Roffles wrote:
On March 24 2014 14:09 nobodywonder wrote:
sweet thanks yo, well i hope i also can get the roffles seal of approval cancer

saw him destroy up a poor jinx guide

Yo its because that guy had the worst attitude ever and his guide was worse than Mobafire guides.


Link for anybody who is wondering what they're talking about.



I can see merc treads and FM being used as situational items (FM = free Ashe Q pretty much, tenacity is kind of nice vs, say, Amumu). They are not totally awful... not totally, that is.

Sometimes I find QSS plays too hard to make and the tenacity is a safer approach (even though it is not as good)
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
March 24 2014 15:03 GMT
#1288
The recent Tristana buff (Q costs no mana) I think really helps Trist keep pressure up early-game with constant all in threat. I gave her up for Lucian a while ago but want to go back to her. How are people building her these days? I was looking at some guides and they recommend Bork (to help get through her rough mid-game I assume). My standard has always been to rush I.E., any ideas?
I got nothin'...
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 24 2014 15:07 GMT
#1289
try shiv rush into botrk or some variation thereof (cutlass -> shiv -> botrk)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 24 2014 15:13 GMT
#1290
I had to go AD in a ranked game recently, picked Sivir. Had to lane against Lucian+Lulu. The pain. D:
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 24 2014 15:23 GMT
#1291
IMO BoTRK on Tristana is garbage. Shiv only good if you are specifically doing an E max, fast push strategy.

I think BT first is the way to go. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with rushing AS on her when she has a 90% AS steroid.
I am the Town Medic.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 24 2014 15:24 GMT
#1292
Didn't some korean b team go BF Vampsceptre shiv IE?
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 24 2014 15:28 GMT
#1293
On March 25 2014 00:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 23:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 24 2014 23:24 Roffles wrote:
On March 24 2014 14:09 nobodywonder wrote:
sweet thanks yo, well i hope i also can get the roffles seal of approval cancer

saw him destroy up a poor jinx guide

Yo its because that guy had the worst attitude ever and his guide was worse than Mobafire guides.


Link for anybody who is wondering what they're talking about.



I can see merc treads and FM being used as situational items (FM = free Ashe Q pretty much, tenacity is kind of nice vs, say, Amumu). They are not totally awful... not totally, that is.

Sometimes I find QSS plays too hard to make and the tenacity is a safer approach (even though it is not as good)


I think those points were some of the lesser problems of that guide.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 24 2014 15:36 GMT
#1294
On March 25 2014 00:23 Alzadar wrote:
IMO BoTRK on Tristana is garbage. Shiv only good if you are specifically doing an E max, fast push strategy.

I think BT first is the way to go. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with rushing AS on her when she has a 90% AS steroid.


Are people not maxing E now?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 15:45:58
March 24 2014 15:41 GMT
#1295
On March 25 2014 00:23 Alzadar wrote:
IMO BoTRK on Tristana is garbage. Shiv only good if you are specifically doing an E max, fast push strategy.

I think BT first is the way to go. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with rushing AS on her when she has a 90% AS steroid.



IE/PD/LW is the most solid option. BT can work if you win lane, but i find that you lack late-game scaling. Though some prefer BT/PD/LW, I've found that i can't really kill tanks and lack the crit damage to pose any real threat. If you can do an early/mid-game win, then BT/PD/LW is alright and it'll let you build that defensive item a bit earlier than normal.
hi
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 24 2014 15:42 GMT
#1296
Never not max E first. Age old saying of if you can't fight you push and harass.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 15:45 GMT
#1297
Personally I always just EWEWER then R > Q > W > E on trist, good all in in lane then you ramp on your Q for when you have 2/3 items for making their lives very sad midgame

rush bt pd then melt everyone spend anytime not teamfighting/objectives farming to get items asap
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 15:47:26
March 24 2014 15:45 GMT
#1298
On March 25 2014 00:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 00:23 Alzadar wrote:
IMO BoTRK on Tristana is garbage. Shiv only good if you are specifically doing an E max, fast push strategy.

I think BT first is the way to go. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with rushing AS on her when she has a 90% AS steroid.


Are people not maxing E now?


Personally I max E until I have BF Sword then I switch to maxing Q. So skill order ends up like
E W E Q E R E Q Q Q R Q

@Arb: with free Q I think there's no reason not to take it over a 2nd point in W, before it was questionable because 50 mana was a lot, but it's free so... basically 100% better than a point in W
I am the Town Medic.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 24 2014 15:51 GMT
#1299
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 15:52 GMT
#1300
On March 25 2014 00:45 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 00:36 Ketara wrote:
On March 25 2014 00:23 Alzadar wrote:
IMO BoTRK on Tristana is garbage. Shiv only good if you are specifically doing an E max, fast push strategy.

I think BT first is the way to go. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with rushing AS on her when she has a 90% AS steroid.


Are people not maxing E now?


Personally I max E until I have BF Sword then I switch to maxing Q. So skill order ends up like
E W E Q E R E Q Q Q R Q

@Arb: with free Q I think there's no reason not to take it over a 2nd point in W, before it was questionable because 50 mana was a lot, but it's free so... basically 100% better than a point in W

Guess that makes sense, the w and q buffs on Kogmaw are gonna make him pretty big, he outranges you hella hard and free hrass is lulzy also.

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