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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
March 24 2014 15:57 GMT
#1301
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 15:58 GMT
#1302
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...

In lane its not bad, but E is really good harass since it scales with her range now. Plus after 6 and when objectives start going down you cant leap in and expect to kill things unless they're super super low since you'll die. It's mostly a repositioning tool and slow after lane, but maxing it before Q leaves you without your godmode steroid and with a much weaker skill that resets anyways
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:02:00
March 24 2014 16:00 GMT
#1303
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people and that's so much easier to achieve with IE/PD/LW because of aforementioned range (why would you really need BT for 5v5 team-fights?).
hi
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 24 2014 16:01 GMT
#1304
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people.

Ie is useless without other items that is the problem.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
March 24 2014 16:01 GMT
#1305
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


People haven't done that since Barrier was put into SR.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:03:01
March 24 2014 16:01 GMT
#1306
In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal.

On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in).
I am the Town Medic.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:05:09
March 24 2014 16:03 GMT
#1307
On March 25 2014 01:01 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people.

Ie is useless without other items that is the problem.



How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT?


On March 25 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote:
In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal.

Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in).


You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard)
hi
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:14:02
March 24 2014 16:13 GMT
#1308
It's easy to say "you shouldn't be needing lifesteal", but that's about as useful as saying "you shouldn't get hit by anything". It feels like BT has a worse best-case than IE but a better average case because it smooths out your mistakes.
I am the Town Medic.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:18:52
March 24 2014 16:17 GMT
#1309
I get that lifesteal is handy and can be a useful stat to go for (snowballing+), but since Tristana has AP scaling on WER and not AD scaling, it gives her significantly worse scaling into late-game, where the majority of your damage will be physical auto-attacks.
hi
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:36:06
March 24 2014 16:33 GMT
#1310
IE first makes that next damage items scales much harder and she can be slightly more relevant during mid game, not sure about surviving laning phase without life steal tho
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 24 2014 16:36 GMT
#1311
On March 24 2014 08:46 YouGotNothin wrote:
Due to the advent of Heimer mid, I was looking for a decent counter pick and decided on Vlad (Ziggs was banned). He actually does pretty well, you can kill his turrets quite easy with Q+AA or Q+E while also gaining life. Also being able to easily pool any of his ulted abilities is quite nice.


Veigar dumps on heimer. You have enough range to kill him out of his turrets. Can one shot his turrets with w or a at most points in the game. Snowball hard and into other lanes. Additionally veigar is one of the few champions which does not care about Zhonya (so long as he can't get it off while you have an r in the air) so heimers standard first buy is not strong in lane.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 24 2014 16:38 GMT
#1312
On March 25 2014 01:33 kongoline wrote:
IE first makes that next damage items scales much harder and she can be slightly more relevant during mid game, not sure about surviving laning phase without life steal tho


Why not vamp to shiv to IE?

You don't have your q maxed early anyway. Shiv scales early due to its bonus damage proc. it makes clearing waves with e super fast. It provides everything trist wants in a first or second item and because she doesn't have any ad scaling she isn't as hampered by the lack of a BT.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 24 2014 16:42 GMT
#1313
cutlass-shiv-ie
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 24 2014 16:43 GMT
#1314
doesnt that delay LW too much ?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 24 2014 16:44 GMT
#1315
On March 25 2014 01:03 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:01 nafta wrote:
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people.

Ie is useless without other items that is the problem.



How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT?


Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote:
In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal.

On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in).


You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard)

It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 24 2014 16:48 GMT
#1316
yo didnt riot make it so you dont do promos if your mmr is higher than your division? Do you think i'll skip promos and go straight to plat 2 on my smurf? http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=lmq tc mio
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 16:57:30
March 24 2014 16:57 GMT
#1317
On March 25 2014 01:44 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:03 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 01:01 nafta wrote:
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people.

Ie is useless without other items that is the problem.



How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT?


On March 25 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote:
In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal.

On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in).


You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard)

It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason.


Build path would be Dblade -> Vamp -> Zerkers -> BF -> Zeal/IE -> Finish IE/Finish PD -> LW -> Defensive item
hi
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 24 2014 17:03 GMT
#1318
On March 25 2014 01:44 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:03 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 01:01 nafta wrote:
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote:
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:
Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm.



If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people.

Ie is useless without other items that is the problem.



How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT?


On March 25 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote:
In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal.

On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in).


You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard)

It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason.


Ok so you go BT then shiv then LW then IE and you're left with no LW or IE (pick one) at your crucial 3 item timing. Since you have no physical damage abilities and no ad scaling you damage is actually kinds bad. You've traded a weak mid game in trist for a weak late game

arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 17:06:47
March 24 2014 17:04 GMT
#1319
On March 25 2014 01:48 IMoperator wrote:
yo didnt riot make it so you dont do promos if your mmr is higher than your division? Do you think i'll skip promos and go straight to plat 2 on my smurf? http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=lmq tc mio

you skip a division but not promos, you always have to do those.

i've heard of people coming up 1 game in promos randomly but never heard of anyone skipping them completely.

You will most likely go to plat 3, considering your mmr is lower than mine but closer to the plat 3 average(2000~)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 24 2014 17:11 GMT
#1320
What is with all you people naming yourself with the LMQ Tc tags?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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