EPTEven after all these years, the memories of frost mages haunt my poor paladin.
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Even after all these years, the memories of frost mages haunt my poor paladin. | ||
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IMoperator
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On March 24 2014 17:32 Amui wrote: Lissandra just doesn't shit on melee's the way I expect a frost mage to. Even after all these years, the memories of frost mages haunt my poor paladin. What? You have HoF and DS to just bop all over mages now. Especially since HoF has 2 charges and cools down on 1 charge every 25 seconds, and reduces that length by 1 second per crit. If you were a warrior I would understand, but still not feel for you. #freemage Back on topic. I have found that my teams are slowly getting more and more balsy in ranked. Gold 4 and I'm finally getting people that UNDERSTAND that if I throw the lantern to them and land a hook, that we are going to fight. Regardless of if you think its a good idea or not. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On March 24 2014 17:32 Amui wrote: Lissandra just doesn't shit on melee's the way I expect a frost mage to. Even after all these years, the memories of frost mages haunt my poor paladin. Depends on the melee. Only the ones with multiple long range gap closers (e.g. Akali) do well. Champs like Darius and Singed cry like there is no tomorrow. On March 24 2014 16:43 dae wrote: Her auto range/animation is too low/long to the point where she is really easy to just q down whenever she goes for cs, and she doesnt have the damage to kill gragas. Gragas should stomp it pretty hard. Like I said, in my experience, it hasn't gone anything like that. Stomp is far too strong a word. I still feel I'm at the advantage. Maybe I've only played poor Gragas', but I can't recall ever losing lane. Like I said, at worst Gragas gets through the early game, builds some AP and Mana regen and it becomes a farm lane. You can't kill him in a single burst, but you can harass him very handily. Lissandra doesn't really burst anybody (unless you go Faker DFG style) In this match up, you have to be aggressive early with your Q and put him behind. If he stays back and farms with Q instead of trying to harass you back, you push and roam. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 24 2014 14:07 nobodywonder wrote: I just have a general question. So, I'm writing a Jax guide for tl so I'm just wondering who I can message or beg to help me check it and make sure it ends up not being a flaming turd. I'm a Plat with 70ish games with Jax so I think I'm somewhat able to write up a noob guide. When I did my guide with Swain i messaged Neo so i could make sure he closed the thread/was okay with me posting. That's just me though Speaking of Swain, havent played him in quite a while due to these retarded long ranged mids + ryze making a come back, any way of him being viable in the future? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 24 2014 18:08 JazzVortical wrote: Depends on the melee. Only the ones with multiple long range gap closers (e.g. Akali) do well. Champs like Darius and Singed cry like there is no tomorrow. Singed had me pretty curious since post-6 he runs faster, regenerates a bunch of the harass and should be able to keep her in the poison trail through Q and W when his ult is on and he manages to reach her, plus a badly timed E can be screwed by Fling before she can jump to it. On the other hand, her W has more range than Fling and an equal or shorter cooldown than Mega Adhesive, so he probably can't use it, or at worst she'll be able to E out. I assume you smash him at early levels with autos and Qs and try your best to keep him down since once he gets 6+ and some MR/tenacity he's the kind of champ you won't get to kill or even stop Did "beat" Renekton, Nasus and Riven too. As in it went from splitting farm to getting behind (Lee starts our red then dives level 2 with her and then well it's Riven with an early advantage) and climbing back up without feeding, but with some many easily identifiable errors (like bad mana management or missing too many easy Qs on a Renekton who spent several minutes at 200 HP, with ult down at the beginning) that I'm pretty confident I'd have outright won these match-ups with decent play. I managed to get a bunch of Qs on Gragas early on (I ate way too many barrels too, that's something like 20% of your HP at level 1?) so that's why we traded kills, at level 3 (pretty normal that he'd "win" an all-in at that point though). My thoughts were that post-6 you can't farm without being in range of Explosive Cask (her Q is 725 range to the first target, and up to 825 with the shards) so it's really easy for him to initiate a gank or just combo you, especially if you try to harass him (happened at one point, tried to combo his low-health, didn't mash R fast enough, ate his ult, than Lee's ult who was coming from lane, died during the ping-pong cc :< ). Most mages without escapes feel like they just die to his damage if he hits an ult, apart from stuff like Orianna, so I assumed if I gave him an opening he'd 80-0 me easily. He also used E to farm at some point, which is kind of a cue to teleport to him and combo him while it's down, since he can't run away from the claw, so... I just thought he wasn't that good and I was lucky. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
Shes incredibly strong as a bursty ass mage imo, and the free zhonyas/stun with her ult is kinda redonk | ||
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Bam Lee
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On March 24 2014 19:04 GolemMadness wrote: From the couple of games I've played as Singed, it's definitely not an easy match up vs Lissandra, but it's not like being against Kayle or Lulu or something. You're just unlikely to ever kill her without jungle help unless you can bait her into going overaggressive. That's the thing with Lissandra, you don't hardcore win many lanes (Fizz is the only champ I seem to trash), but it's very hard for a ton of champs to kill you. You have excellent harass vs Melee, as well as pretty good pushing power. You use this to keep the enemy laner down (especially if they are an assassin), and leverage your team fighting prowess, as well as half-decent pick potential (E->Ult enemy->Zhonyas) in the mid game. She really loses to hardcore burst though. Malz for example is a nightmare. He might have to burn flash, but he 100-0s you at 6, and you can't stop it. | ||
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kongoline
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On March 24 2014 01:53 Sufficiency wrote: OK guys, I think for my previous computations my mistake was far more grave than I imagined (sorry, shits happen and people make mistakes). I fixed the bug and ran a few champions over night. Here's the result for Leona, in particular. How to read: 1. Bonus/Penalty: blue means Leona is strong against this champion, red means weak. 2. Green cells means this result has fairly strong (statistical) evidence. Yellow means very weak and should be taken with a grain of salt. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oyHy4Ze.png) What is this program and how do i get it? | ||
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Kyrie
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On March 24 2014 14:07 nobodywonder wrote: So, I'm writing a Jax guide for tl so I'm just wondering who I can message or beg to help me check it and make sure it ends up not being a flaming turd. Ask Scip he's best Jax EUW. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 24 2014 22:55 Eppa! wrote: I am convinced that Cait is the best ADC in 90% of all games but i can't win for shit with her. Since i play all roles except jungle, ADC is my best role so I have 60-80 win rate on Ez, Varus, Twitch, Lucian, Sivir and MF but i can't play Cait at all for some reason and am at 40% while being my second most picked adc after Sivir at 25 games. I feel like if you can abuse her you'll win very often, but most of the time the longer the game goes she gets alot weaker when the other adcs catch up on items. If you go even in lane shes basically an item down on your adc since shes missing a steroid which every other adc has in some way or form. also Lulu is so hilariously broken its unreal. she can literally 1v5 anyteam without some form of gapcloser with glitterlance spam all the time | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 24 2014 22:55 Eppa! wrote: I am convinced that Cait is the best ADC in 90% of all games but i can't win for shit with her. Since i play all roles except jungle, ADC is my best role so I have 60-80 win rate on Ez, Varus, Twitch, Lucian, Sivir and MF but i can't play Cait at all for some reason and am at 40% while being my second most picked adc after Sivir at 25 games. same with me, like I always have had a worse kda with cait and have a worse win % with her as well. Not quite sure why. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
The raw data was ETLed and analyzed using R. The result was then exported into csv, loaded into Excel. All the visual effect you see are standard effects from Excel. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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