EPT[Champion] ADC Jinx - Page 2
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Maybe fix the masteries towards something like this http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-4-0-0-0-3-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-3-0-1-1-3-0-1&tree2=2-2-0-0-1-3-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 Also i think the guide is lacking some in-depth with regards to AD-carry match-ups and support synergy: When should a player pick Jinx over someone like Caitlyn? Which match-ups favor Jinx and which match-ups doesn't favor Jinx? What supports are good with Jinx? What supports beat Jinx? We're all trying to help you here and since you are from a lower rating (again, nothing wrong with being silver and making a guide, but if you had been high plat/low diamond, people would believe you more and context would probably be there as well), take the critique  | ||
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
On March 13 2014 23:14 Sponkz wrote: I for one believe, that finding your own play style is a good thing. But you still have to remember what other people are reading. 25/5/0 is unconventional, frozen mallet/black cleaver/maw of malmortius is unconventional and there's nothing wrong with that, i just think people would've believed you more, if the masteries actually made sense, and you provided more in-depth to the item-choices instead of posting a picture with no deeper context. Maybe fix the masteries towards something like this http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-4-0-0-0-3-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-3-0-1-1-3-0-1&tree2=2-2-0-0-1-3-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 Also i think the guide is lacking some in-depth with regards to AD-carry match-ups and support synergy: When should a player pick Jinx over someone like Caitlyn? Which match-ups favor Jinx and which match-ups doesn't favor Jinx? What supports are good with Jinx? What supports beat Jinx? We're all trying to help you here and since you are from a lower rating (again, nothing wrong with being silver and making a guide, but if you had been high plat/low diamond, people would believe you more and context would probably be there as well), take the critique Man i ain't from silver, this is my smurf even this acc was Plat last season. It doesn't fucking which masteries you run in the end of the day there is only few key ones you need from each tree and thats it, its up to once again personal playstyle/preference. And Once again, ive listed those 3 items situational, so like out of 5% of your games you should pick those. Word means what it means.... as for matchups just get blitz as support so you can combo your E's together if ur too scrub against certain adc matchup, don't play jinx or swap lane. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
On March 13 2014 23:49 GrandInquisitor wrote: I mean I've seen horrible Diamond guides as well (like the Diamond II Cho'Gath main that rushes Zephyr into IBG), but if you respond to all criticisms of your guide with "it doesn't fucking matter its up to once again personal playstyle/preference" ... why exactly are we reading your guide anyway? Because there is few people in this world, who don't have to subject or question what other people do. I did it for those few. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If I wrote a Jax guide with things in it, I'd be laughed at and people wanting to play Jax wouldn't find the guide helpful at all since it gives them nothing valuable for the inevitable day when they'll pick into Kayle. Either you say from the get go that the guide is focused on teaching your way of playing Jinx and tht it diverges from the norm, or you provide a more "classic" way of playing her (not necessarily extremely in-depth, but at least the basis) on top of it. There's also no explanations as to why you max your abilities in that order. Sure, people don't need to know to mimic it and play, and that's non-negligible added value for readers and is often appreciated. | ||
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:12 Alaric wrote: "If you're too scrub against Kayle, don't play Jax or swap lane." If I wrote a Jax guide with things in it, I'd be laughed at and people wanting to play Jax wouldn't find the guide helpful at all since it gives them nothing valuable for the inevitable day when they'll pick into Kayle. Either you say from the get go that the guide is focused on teaching your way of playing Jinx and tht it diverges from the norm, or you provide a more "classic" way of playing her (not necessarily extremely in-depth, but at least the basis) on top of it. There's also no explanations as to why you max your abilities in that order. Sure, people don't need to know to mimic it and play, and that's non-negligible added value for readers and is often appreciated. I max out Q first coz i rather have Higher range than more dmg on W. Once again this is very situational thing and has lot to do with preferences. I mean jinx vs. cait, its not so much about ADC's support has higher impact. If you don't think your lane is favorable you do 1v2 lane to reduce risk of losing. For me its really hard to give perspective against certain ADC matchups since i wreck everybody. | ||
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Bam Lee
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This isnt mobafire where you can randomly upload a build and call it a guide | ||
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:36 Bam Lee wrote: This is more like a random build proposition than an actual guide. And if you are not willing to discuss anything and just say pretty much "it is the way it is, it works for me, you are all haters" then i dont really get the point of this whole thread. You are basically just saying play jinx my way, it will work.Without any optimization, any reasoning. Sponkz has already proposed several things you could change to make this an actual guide, and you are just ignoring it and looking at it with a negative attitude. This isnt mobafire where you can randomly upload a build and call it a guide How about people actually try the build and then start talking.... | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On March 13 2014 23:38 SugiStyle wrote: Man i ain't from silver, this is my smurf even this acc was Plat last season. It doesn't fucking which masteries you run in the end of the day there is only few key ones you need from each tree and thats it, its up to once again personal playstyle/preference. And Once again, ive listed those 3 items situational, so like out of 5% of your games you should pick those. Word means what it means.... as for matchups just get blitz as support so you can combo your E's together if ur too scrub against certain adc matchup, don't play jinx or swap lane. What the fuck kind of advice is this? "If you're too scrub against certain adc matchup, don't play Jinx" How about you tell us in your "guide" how to lane in difficult lanes, how to position in teamfights without escapes, any tips and tricks such as W revealing in bushes so you don't have to facecheck? Instead you whine and bitch about others critiquing your shit when in reality 100% of your fucking guide is ass and useless. I can go to Mobafire and legitimately find better builds than your shit. Look at the fucking garbage masteries you recommend that are "tailored to your style". 25/5/0, taking pretty fucking useless shit in offense tree along the left side. You say Jinx's job is to die after doing huge damage, but let's be honest if you're doing that why are you taking Mercs anyways? Why not be a man and just go Zerks for full damage output? If you get caught, you're pretty much dead anyways. So let's run down other things in your guide that are trash: Frozen Mallet is ass because it costs a ton and does jack shit if you're actually good you can kite without Mallet. But I'm assuming you're shit so you need it. Maw of Malmortius is probably the worst item in the game stat-wise because it does jack shit. I don't see why you'd ever buy it over anything useful. Then you have the Black Cleaver which requires you to auto attack 4 times to stack it for mostly a single target, whereas other champs can stack it pretty much instantly. So basically to TLDR this shit, your guide is fucking awful, and your attitude is fucking awful too. Not to mention you're a fucking awful player as well and won't admit that Mobafire has better guides than you. | ||
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SugiStyle
Finland42 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:58 SugiStyle wrote: I stop commenting from now on, since lot of unnecessary toxicity in this thread. What? You're gonna cry because people didn't like your ideas? You gonna just hide like a coward because people criticized your stuff for being sub-optimal? If anything, you're the toxic one in this thread. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:25 SugiStyle wrote: I max out Q first coz i rather have Higher range than more dmg on W. Once again this is very situational thing and has lot to do with preferences. I mean jinx vs. cait, its not so much about ADC's support has higher impact. If you don't think your lane is favorable you do 1v2 lane to reduce risk of losing. For me its really hard to give perspective against certain ADC matchups since i wreck everybody. If I read that as "na this is just a smurf I'm actually way higher that's why I wreck everybody here"... look, just because I went 13-4 on Garen going from level 29 to 30, including around a third of jungle games, I'm not going to write a Garen guide in here. Because you're smurfing and beating people way lower than you, you admit to lacking insight about the match-ups, which are hard, which are easy, specific tricks and how to circumvent hardships, which are very valuable information to whoever is trying to learn a new role or champion. As such, your guide is more a "if you're way better than the people against you to begin with, you can get away with this" than "if you're looking to learn/become better at Jinx, try following this", which is what most people will look for in a guide. When I talked about explaining the skilling order, I meant in the OP, so that it's easily accessile to people instead of having to skim through posts (or worse, pages). | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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