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On March 19 2014 22:04 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:02 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:57 JazzVortical wrote:On March 19 2014 20:48 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:39 Alaric wrote:Lots of people still bought it [WotA on manaless champions], it was just a depressing experience to do so Geez, maybe because people are dumb and cried when they had to start cloth+5 on AP champs before Seeker's, or never even built DFG on Morde because IT HAS MANA REGEN IT IS WASTED GOLD THEREFORE IT IS SHIT TIER ITEM. Stop accomodating for idiots dammit. They spent 200 gold on mp5 in exchange for infinite "free" sustain! The humanity! Also get dunked Aegis, even more expensive and without any armour? No sane jungler is going to pick that up, or at least not until much later, when Locket suffers from not being easily available around level 10-11/for the second drake fight already. Then again Xypherous calls it an "anti-poke item" (because hp5+MR I assume) when the shield obviously makes it better as a teamfight item, since you pay for that active. It'll give the holder 40mr as opposed to the 20 currently + it will have more health. Also, that was Feral Pony, Xypherous is only in that thread trying to give me dumb reasons why we don't have an AD/Armor item. Out of curiousity, how would you make an AD/armour item? Atma's Legacy(Atma's Rework) Pickaxe + Lesson of Kor + 775 = 3250 55 AD 50 Armor Unique Passive - Serrated: Physical damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Mettle of the Rakkor: When you are crit, you gain +5 AD, stacking up to 3 times. Lesson of Kor(Executioner's Calling Rework) Longsword + Longsword + Cloth + 580 = 1600 25 AD 35 Armor Unique Passive - Your basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds for 1.5 seconds. Don't like the crit proc. It would basically mean the item would only be bought by tanks. Because when a ADC starts critting, you die if you're not extremely tanky.
I was trying to find something anti autos on it that wasn't me putting cold steel onto it. Conversly, maybe putting cold steel on it would be for the best because then people wouldn't want to buy multiple instances of it, idk.
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Scip and his white acid..
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On March 19 2014 22:07 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:04 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:02 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:57 JazzVortical wrote:On March 19 2014 20:48 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:39 Alaric wrote:Lots of people still bought it [WotA on manaless champions], it was just a depressing experience to do so Geez, maybe because people are dumb and cried when they had to start cloth+5 on AP champs before Seeker's, or never even built DFG on Morde because IT HAS MANA REGEN IT IS WASTED GOLD THEREFORE IT IS SHIT TIER ITEM. Stop accomodating for idiots dammit. They spent 200 gold on mp5 in exchange for infinite "free" sustain! The humanity! Also get dunked Aegis, even more expensive and without any armour? No sane jungler is going to pick that up, or at least not until much later, when Locket suffers from not being easily available around level 10-11/for the second drake fight already. Then again Xypherous calls it an "anti-poke item" (because hp5+MR I assume) when the shield obviously makes it better as a teamfight item, since you pay for that active. It'll give the holder 40mr as opposed to the 20 currently + it will have more health. Also, that was Feral Pony, Xypherous is only in that thread trying to give me dumb reasons why we don't have an AD/Armor item. Out of curiousity, how would you make an AD/armour item? Atma's Legacy(Atma's Rework) Pickaxe + Lesson of Kor + 775 = 3250 55 AD 50 Armor Unique Passive - Serrated: Physical damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Mettle of the Rakkor: When you are crit, you gain +5 AD, stacking up to 3 times. Lesson of Kor(Executioner's Calling Rework) Longsword + Longsword + Cloth + 580 = 1600 25 AD 35 Armor Unique Passive - Your basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds for 1.5 seconds. Don't like the crit proc. It would basically mean the item would only be bought by tanks. Because when a ADC starts critting, you die if you're not extremely tanky. I was trying to find something anti autos on it that wasn't me putting cold steel onto it. Conversly, maybe putting cold steel on it would be for the best because then people wouldn't want to buy multiple instances of it, idk.
Honestly a minimum duration silence (putting the silenced spell on x amount of extra CD) would be pretty good active. Can interrupt casts but you won't disable someone. Plus it'll be delicious mechanically since there will be people who could silence extremely short cast times.
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On March 19 2014 22:10 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:07 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:02 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:57 JazzVortical wrote:On March 19 2014 20:48 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:39 Alaric wrote:Lots of people still bought it [WotA on manaless champions], it was just a depressing experience to do so Geez, maybe because people are dumb and cried when they had to start cloth+5 on AP champs before Seeker's, or never even built DFG on Morde because IT HAS MANA REGEN IT IS WASTED GOLD THEREFORE IT IS SHIT TIER ITEM. Stop accomodating for idiots dammit. They spent 200 gold on mp5 in exchange for infinite "free" sustain! The humanity! Also get dunked Aegis, even more expensive and without any armour? No sane jungler is going to pick that up, or at least not until much later, when Locket suffers from not being easily available around level 10-11/for the second drake fight already. Then again Xypherous calls it an "anti-poke item" (because hp5+MR I assume) when the shield obviously makes it better as a teamfight item, since you pay for that active. It'll give the holder 40mr as opposed to the 20 currently + it will have more health. Also, that was Feral Pony, Xypherous is only in that thread trying to give me dumb reasons why we don't have an AD/Armor item. Out of curiousity, how would you make an AD/armour item? Atma's Legacy(Atma's Rework) Pickaxe + Lesson of Kor + 775 = 3250 55 AD 50 Armor Unique Passive - Serrated: Physical damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Mettle of the Rakkor: When you are crit, you gain +5 AD, stacking up to 3 times. Lesson of Kor(Executioner's Calling Rework) Longsword + Longsword + Cloth + 580 = 1600 25 AD 35 Armor Unique Passive - Your basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds for 1.5 seconds. Don't like the crit proc. It would basically mean the item would only be bought by tanks. Because when a ADC starts critting, you die if you're not extremely tanky. I was trying to find something anti autos on it that wasn't me putting cold steel onto it. Conversly, maybe putting cold steel on it would be for the best because then people wouldn't want to buy multiple instances of it, idk. Honestly a minimum duration silence (putting the silenced spell on x amount of extra CD) would be pretty good active. Can interrupt casts but you won't disable someone. Plus it'll be delicious mechanically since there will be people who could silence extremely short cast times.
But silences are generally around to fuck over AP casters, which isn't the purpose of the item.
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On March 19 2014 22:12 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:10 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:07 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:02 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:57 JazzVortical wrote:On March 19 2014 20:48 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:39 Alaric wrote:Lots of people still bought it [WotA on manaless champions], it was just a depressing experience to do so Geez, maybe because people are dumb and cried when they had to start cloth+5 on AP champs before Seeker's, or never even built DFG on Morde because IT HAS MANA REGEN IT IS WASTED GOLD THEREFORE IT IS SHIT TIER ITEM. Stop accomodating for idiots dammit. They spent 200 gold on mp5 in exchange for infinite "free" sustain! The humanity! Also get dunked Aegis, even more expensive and without any armour? No sane jungler is going to pick that up, or at least not until much later, when Locket suffers from not being easily available around level 10-11/for the second drake fight already. Then again Xypherous calls it an "anti-poke item" (because hp5+MR I assume) when the shield obviously makes it better as a teamfight item, since you pay for that active. It'll give the holder 40mr as opposed to the 20 currently + it will have more health. Also, that was Feral Pony, Xypherous is only in that thread trying to give me dumb reasons why we don't have an AD/Armor item. Out of curiousity, how would you make an AD/armour item? Atma's Legacy(Atma's Rework) Pickaxe + Lesson of Kor + 775 = 3250 55 AD 50 Armor Unique Passive - Serrated: Physical damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Mettle of the Rakkor: When you are crit, you gain +5 AD, stacking up to 3 times. Lesson of Kor(Executioner's Calling Rework) Longsword + Longsword + Cloth + 580 = 1600 25 AD 35 Armor Unique Passive - Your basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds for 1.5 seconds. Don't like the crit proc. It would basically mean the item would only be bought by tanks. Because when a ADC starts critting, you die if you're not extremely tanky. I was trying to find something anti autos on it that wasn't me putting cold steel onto it. Conversly, maybe putting cold steel on it would be for the best because then people wouldn't want to buy multiple instances of it, idk. Honestly a minimum duration silence (putting the silenced spell on x amount of extra CD) would be pretty good active. Can interrupt casts but you won't disable someone. Plus it'll be delicious mechanically since there will be people who could silence extremely short cast times. But silences are generally around to fuck over AP casters, which isn't the purpose of the item.
Nearly every champion has cast times. You could use it to put a champion's dangerous spell on CD for a little while, making trades more favourable. But you'd have to both bait the ability and execute the silence perfectly to get good use out of it. Maybe that item could then be upgraded to put a champions last used ability on CD for a while. Would be really useful vs ganking junglers, and it could be used really creatively.
I do think it's a bit OP compared to most items atm, but that's really only because LoL item actives are boring as shit. Items can't make plays in LoL. Maybe the cost of having the active would be pretty big, discouraging people getting it in every lane.
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On March 19 2014 21:02 Scip wrote:
Blue Diamond Shell of Masculinity
Builds out of Pickaxe, Chain Vest + 720 gold
50 Armor, 28 AD, unique passive "Hardening Throbbing Shell" Whenever you are hit by an autoattack, temporarily gain +4 AD and Armor. This stacks up to 5 times and they last for 4 seconds. After getting hit 10 times with autoattacks, the Throbbing Shell explodes, releasing an explosion of white acid, consuming all the stacks and dealing 50+120% of AD dmg to all nearby enemies.
I'd buy it
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You know, the most annoying things about the reddit-style official forums by far are the people who use icons for champ/item names instead of their actual names. It's like reading a pre-K children's book.
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On March 19 2014 22:17 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:12 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 22:10 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:07 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Doctorbeat wrote:On March 19 2014 22:02 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:57 JazzVortical wrote:On March 19 2014 20:48 Gahlo wrote:On March 19 2014 20:39 Alaric wrote:Lots of people still bought it [WotA on manaless champions], it was just a depressing experience to do so Geez, maybe because people are dumb and cried when they had to start cloth+5 on AP champs before Seeker's, or never even built DFG on Morde because IT HAS MANA REGEN IT IS WASTED GOLD THEREFORE IT IS SHIT TIER ITEM. Stop accomodating for idiots dammit. They spent 200 gold on mp5 in exchange for infinite "free" sustain! The humanity! Also get dunked Aegis, even more expensive and without any armour? No sane jungler is going to pick that up, or at least not until much later, when Locket suffers from not being easily available around level 10-11/for the second drake fight already. Then again Xypherous calls it an "anti-poke item" (because hp5+MR I assume) when the shield obviously makes it better as a teamfight item, since you pay for that active. It'll give the holder 40mr as opposed to the 20 currently + it will have more health. Also, that was Feral Pony, Xypherous is only in that thread trying to give me dumb reasons why we don't have an AD/Armor item. Out of curiousity, how would you make an AD/armour item? Atma's Legacy(Atma's Rework) Pickaxe + Lesson of Kor + 775 = 3250 55 AD 50 Armor Unique Passive - Serrated: Physical damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Mettle of the Rakkor: When you are crit, you gain +5 AD, stacking up to 3 times. Lesson of Kor(Executioner's Calling Rework) Longsword + Longsword + Cloth + 580 = 1600 25 AD 35 Armor Unique Passive - Your basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds for 1.5 seconds. Don't like the crit proc. It would basically mean the item would only be bought by tanks. Because when a ADC starts critting, you die if you're not extremely tanky. I was trying to find something anti autos on it that wasn't me putting cold steel onto it. Conversly, maybe putting cold steel on it would be for the best because then people wouldn't want to buy multiple instances of it, idk. Honestly a minimum duration silence (putting the silenced spell on x amount of extra CD) would be pretty good active. Can interrupt casts but you won't disable someone. Plus it'll be delicious mechanically since there will be people who could silence extremely short cast times. But silences are generally around to fuck over AP casters, which isn't the purpose of the item. Nearly every champion has cast times. You could use it to put a champion's dangerous spell on CD for a little while, making trades more favourable. But you'd have to both bait the ability and execute the silence perfectly to get good use out of it. Maybe that item could then be upgraded to put a champions last used ability on CD for a while. Would be really useful vs ganking junglers, and it could be used really creatively. I do think it's a bit OP compared to most items atm, but that's really only because LoL item actives are boring as shit. Items can't make plays in LoL. Maybe the cost of having the active would be pretty big, discouraging people getting it in every lane.
Most of those short cast times a .25 seconds, which is about average human reaction time. So for a lot of people it would be absolutely useless because they literally can't use it unless they are mousovering and spamming the item button.
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Problem is, the same items that shut down Renekton and Zed shut down AD Carries pre 5 items. Gone are the days of rushing chainvest means you win lane against garen and talon, but still feared corki or ezreal. So given the current balance and design goals, that item would be quite silly.
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On March 19 2014 22:24 cLutZ wrote:
Problem is, the same items that shut down Renekton and Zed shut down AD Carries pre 5 items. Gone are the days of rushing chainvest means you win lane against garen and talon, but still feared corki or ezreal. So given the current balance and design goals, that item would be quite silly.
True :/
Doublelift is still crying.
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Baa?21248 Posts
On March 19 2014 10:49 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 10:40 dae wrote:
What about poor veigar? Lichbane was a pretty much core 3rd/4th item on him, and the change REALLY hurts his lategame. Sorc, dfg, void, cap, guise, defensive. I mean lichbane is ok instead of guise or the defensive or even cap but I cant see it being core.
Oh my god I agree with Resident Economist Goumindong for once.
Lich Bane core on Veigar HELP ME I HAVE AIDS
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On March 19 2014 22:03 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I saw "Blue Diamond Shell" and was hoping for a Mario Kart joke.
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Thanks Teut.
Did you actually confuse me with teut
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In keeping with the clingy girlfriend role, shouldn't you be very happy that the both of you have now become indiscernible from each other?
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On March 19 2014 23:25 Alaric wrote:
In keeping with the clingy girlfriend role, shouldn't you be very happy that the both of you have now become indiscernible from each other?
Does that imply jungle Garen in Challenger games?
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On March 19 2014 20:48 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 13:33 wei2coolman wrote:On March 19 2014 13:30 GolemMadness wrote:On March 19 2014 13:25 wei2coolman wrote:On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth? His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit. If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily. his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales It has nothing to do with outscaling, it has to do if he's relevant in the game. At no point in the game does he ever become irrelevant Did anybody say that he becomes irrelevant...? they said his late game is shit. but if he's relevant in lategame, that hardly makes his lategame shit. Ill bite Akali, Yasou, Jayce, Elise, Vlad do less for the team late game than Renekton.
LOL, everyone on that list scales pretty hard into late game and since when elise has bad late? i still remember ogn game where 6item renekton tried to split, kept losing to support elise and everybody in live report thread was disgusted by it, guess people have short memory.
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On March 19 2014 23:31 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 20:48 Eppa! wrote:On March 19 2014 13:33 wei2coolman wrote:On March 19 2014 13:30 GolemMadness wrote:On March 19 2014 13:25 wei2coolman wrote:On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth? His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit. If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily. his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales It has nothing to do with outscaling, it has to do if he's relevant in the game. At no point in the game does he ever become irrelevant Did anybody say that he becomes irrelevant...? they said his late game is shit. but if he's relevant in lategame, that hardly makes his lategame shit. Ill bite Akali, Yasou, Jayce, Elise, Vlad do less for the team late game than Renekton. LOL, everyone on that list scales pretty hard into late game and since when elise has bad late? i still remember ogn game where 6item renekton tried to split, kept losing to support elise and everybody in live report thread was disgusted by it, guess people have short memory.
feel like the longer the game goes on an all tank elise isnt going to do anything. her damage is pretty laughable late game
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On March 19 2014 23:53 kongoline wrote:
so is renekton's
well yeah, im assuming other guy was trolling, since all those champions - elise do way more than renekton later on in the game
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Her damage still hurts squishies a bunch, it's just she can't do that without items to people who've been spending gold on MR.
Also I think he meant "Renekton brings more during teamfights", which is arguable. Sure he's not going to outsplitpush Vlad anytime soon, but he's got more damage and zoning potential than Elise once 5v5s erupts and she either builds tankier or dies (or is fed as heck).
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