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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 19 2014 15:07 GMT
#501
On March 19 2014 23:19 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:03 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I saw "Blue Diamond Shell" and was hoping for a Mario Kart joke.

...

Thanks Teut.

Did you actually confuse me with teut


LOL YUP MY BAD
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 15:41:08
March 19 2014 15:40 GMT
#502
On March 19 2014 23:50 739 wrote:
IEM Fails compilation

I need to share. Alt-tabs League Of Legends ftw


I think it's unfair to call Froggen's pronunciation of LeBlanc a fail given that most English speakers say LeBlaannkk. The C is silent.
I am the Town Medic.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 15:53:25
March 19 2014 15:50 GMT
#503
Imagine if sunfire procced rylai and lyandri. I guess the closest I can replicate something like that is singed.

Btw does the damage done by lyandri passive proc spell vamp?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 19 2014 15:53 GMT
#504
On March 19 2014 16:01 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 14:58 Gahlo wrote:
http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/oAJ2KpRs-patch-45-itemization-changes

Fuuuuuuuck, Riot gave in to the dumb reddit kids with WotA. With the way top lane is slowly rotating out of world of tank, Vlad is going to be a monster if this ever goes live.

More AP build smoothing, more tank item smoothing. AD still gets told to go fuck itself.


30 more AP for 500 gold is going to make him a monster?

Technically the new item is worse because it costs 500 more for 30 AP and you lose out on 600 gold of mana regen!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 16:14:57
March 19 2014 16:12 GMT
#505
not gonna lie im not happy with the fact wota costs more, i already skipped it a lot on vlad because it delayed my core items like zhonya/void by too much, now i think i will upgrade it as a last item which is sad considering in some matchups i need that extra spell vamp/cdr it provides just to survive laning phase
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 19 2014 16:15 GMT
#506
On March 20 2014 00:53 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 16:01 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 19 2014 14:58 Gahlo wrote:
http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/oAJ2KpRs-patch-45-itemization-changes

Fuuuuuuuck, Riot gave in to the dumb reddit kids with WotA. With the way top lane is slowly rotating out of world of tank, Vlad is going to be a monster if this ever goes live.

More AP build smoothing, more tank item smoothing. AD still gets told to go fuck itself.


30 more AP for 500 gold is going to make him a monster?

Technically the new item is worse because it costs 500 more for 30 AP and you lose out on 600 gold of mana regen!!!!!!!!!!!!


When WotA was FOTM I can remember both mana and manaless champs using it. Morde/Vlad/Akali but Cassio/Ryze/Ori/Ahri etc too.

Taking aura away was what doomed WotA into irrelevance. I don't think it'll be relevant again soon, vamp isn't useful at all for the average AP who has to maximise burst. Plus it doesn't fit into any of the item timings. You always have to get manaregen first (grail/tear/drings) and then you need a rod item (cap/DFG). Getting WotA after the mana item will make you do way less damage, and after you get the big AP item you absolutely need the Void Staff.

It just doesn't fit as well on mana dependent AP champions as it does on no-mana champions.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 16:18 GMT
#507
On March 20 2014 01:12 kongoline wrote:
not gonna lie im not happy with the fact wota costs more, i already skipped it a lot on vlad because it delayed my core items like zhonya/void by too much, now i think i will upgrade it as a last item which is sad considering in some matchups i need that extra spell vamp/cdr it provides just to survive laning phase

I would have liked it if they just made revolver easier to get, so the investment to unlock the spellvamp effect doesn't feel like it gimps your item timings.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 19 2014 16:23 GMT
#508
On March 20 2014 01:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:12 kongoline wrote:
not gonna lie im not happy with the fact wota costs more, i already skipped it a lot on vlad because it delayed my core items like zhonya/void by too much, now i think i will upgrade it as a last item which is sad considering in some matchups i need that extra spell vamp/cdr it provides just to survive laning phase

I would have liked it if they just made revolver easier to get, so the investment to unlock the spellvamp effect doesn't feel like it gimps your item timings.


Didn't we have enough problems with Ahri and Morgana?
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 16:33 GMT
#509
On March 20 2014 01:23 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:18 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:12 kongoline wrote:
not gonna lie im not happy with the fact wota costs more, i already skipped it a lot on vlad because it delayed my core items like zhonya/void by too much, now i think i will upgrade it as a last item which is sad considering in some matchups i need that extra spell vamp/cdr it provides just to survive laning phase

I would have liked it if they just made revolver easier to get, so the investment to unlock the spellvamp effect doesn't feel like it gimps your item timings.


Didn't we have enough problems with Ahri and Morgana?

I don't think Ahri or Morgana's problem was their spellvamp effect...
Pretty sure ahri's problem was LOL DFG REK UR SHIT, TRY N CATCH ME I GOT 3 DASHES.
And morg hasn't been a problem since like early s2.

conversely they could just make the revolver timing a bit stronger in terms of damage.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 19 2014 16:40 GMT
#510
ahri's had several distinct fotm eras of which dfg assassin was only the most recent

this is too far back for me to say with certainty but i do believe revolver ahri was problematic at some point
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2014 16:42 GMT
#511
Ahri buying WotA was at the very start, like Brand building WotA/Rylai when he came out, that wasn't during her competitive FotM stunts and wasn't optimal at all.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 19 2014 16:44 GMT
#512
On March 20 2014 01:40 Kyrie wrote:
ahri's had several distinct fotm eras of which dfg assassin was only the most recent

this is too far back for me to say with certainty but i do believe revolver ahri was problematic at some point

Of which revolver was not one of them.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 19 2014 16:45 GMT
#513
Ahri with revolver has never been problematic wtf.The only reason people got it was because everyone played double ap and it was a broken item.Every mid and top got it....
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 19 2014 16:45 GMT
#514
in that case i stand corrected
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 19 2014 16:45 GMT
#515
froggen builds revolver on anivia sometimes
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 19 2014 16:46 GMT
#516
On March 20 2014 00:50 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Imagine if sunfire procced rylai and lyandri. I guess the closest I can replicate something like that is singed.

Btw does the damage done by lyandri passive proc spell vamp?


As far as I can tell, it procs Spirit Stone, but not spellvamp.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
March 19 2014 17:14 GMT
#517
On March 20 2014 01:45 nafta wrote:
Ahri with revolver has never been problematic wtf.The only reason people got it was because everyone played double ap and it was a broken item.Every mid and top got it....


It was really nice on her, with ult/w giving 100% spell vamp once upon a time, so that 40% vamp ahri (double wota) was really tanky in teamfights, but not really that brokenly op.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 19 2014 17:34 GMT
#518
On March 20 2014 02:14 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:45 nafta wrote:
Ahri with revolver has never been problematic wtf.The only reason people got it was because everyone played double ap and it was a broken item.Every mid and top got it....


It was really nice on her, with ult/w giving 100% spell vamp once upon a time, so that 40% vamp ahri (double wota) was really tanky in teamfights, but not really that brokenly op.



True, but my argument is actually that the free spellvamp on Ahri and Morgana significantly increased their laning power, even though their non ultimate abilities are comparable to most other mid laners in terms of power. Therefore, I think spellvamp on traditional mid laners is very strong because they can often clear waves very quickly and safely and from a long range, even though they are limited by mana.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 17:49:13
March 19 2014 17:48 GMT
#519
On March 20 2014 02:34 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 02:14 dae wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:45 nafta wrote:
Ahri with revolver has never been problematic wtf.The only reason people got it was because everyone played double ap and it was a broken item.Every mid and top got it....


It was really nice on her, with ult/w giving 100% spell vamp once upon a time, so that 40% vamp ahri (double wota) was really tanky in teamfights, but not really that brokenly op.



True, but my argument is actually that the free spellvamp on Ahri and Morgana significantly increased their laning power, even though their non ultimate abilities are comparable to most other mid laners in terms of power. Therefore, I think spellvamp on traditional mid laners is very strong because they can often clear waves very quickly and safely and from a long range, even though they are limited by mana.


That's because it's FREE. But rarely any traditional mids are going to go out of their way to build spellvamp.

Also in terms of item changes, I would love to see a modernization of RoA as an alternative to Athenes.
liftlift > tsm
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 18:04:01
March 19 2014 18:02 GMT
#520
On March 19 2014 23:31 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 20:48 Eppa! wrote:
On March 19 2014 13:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 13:30 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 19 2014 13:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:41 kongoline wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 12:29 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27667-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2014-atlantean
thought they will destroy renekton by making his early average and leaving his late game the same aka shit, this seems reasonable

his late game wasn't really shit though... I don't know why people still propagate that myth?
His late game was just fine, just because he didn't scale as hard as Shyv/Mundo doesn't mean his late game was shit.
If anything, they should have toned down his lategame cuz considering how rewarding his early game was, he scaled into lategame too easily.

his late game is shit, please give an example of champions renekton outscales

It has nothing to do with outscaling, it has to do if he's relevant in the game. At no point in the game does he ever become irrelevant


Did anybody say that he becomes irrelevant...?

they said his late game is shit. but if he's relevant in lategame, that hardly makes his lategame shit.

Ill bite Akali, Yasou, Jayce, Elise, Vlad do less for the team late game than Renekton.

LOL, everyone on that list scales pretty hard into late game and since when elise has bad late? i still remember ogn game where 6item renekton tried to split, kept losing to support elise and everybody in live report thread was disgusted by it, guess people have short memory.

They are all vaccum champions, none of them fit the metagame anymore. All of them force a metagame which does not work when they are not ban/fp power. All lategame is now a day is baron control and lane split push without champions. When you come in late vs a common team comp you lose if they engage with the big 4 top laners and they can easily. Vaccum champions don't bring this sort of thing to the table and can not deal with it.

Watch SkS vs Im1 in masters week 1. Its renekton vs prenerf Yasou and shows exactly why these champions which all outscale Renekton in split pushing but big team fights they can't bring the neither zoning, engage or the ADC control that Renekton can. Lategame has never been about damage as its always bonkers amount by that time its about map control and reliable cc to start a fight on your terms.

They are all part of pick comps when none of them can control the map to get picks.
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