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rewired
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada630 Posts
March 10 2014 15:51 GMT
#1761
On March 11 2014 00:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Could just save time and hand skt the 50k check.


Pretty much. If you don't have a mixed team of people possibly screwing up the SKT chemistry you might as well just give them their 50k and the extra spot at worlds. I don't see anyone touching them.
The road isn't always straight.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 10 2014 15:55 GMT
#1762
improving stats display to include dmg done at the very least is a pretty low hanging fruit. it too is obviously incomplete in describing performance, but right now in LCS level analysis we just get KDA and gpm basically.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 15:57 GMT
#1763
OGN does contribution for kill which I like, and I've heard it mentioned on LCS casts from time to time.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
March 10 2014 15:57 GMT
#1764
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions.
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 16:00:42
March 10 2014 15:58 GMT
#1765
On March 11 2014 00:51 rewired wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 00:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Could just save time and hand skt the 50k check.


Pretty much. If you don't have a mixed team of people possibly screwing up the SKT chemistry you might as well just give them their 50k and the extra spot at worlds. I don't see anyone touching them.

50k is a ton of money, probably more than most S2 tournaments (other than worlds).
On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions.

It'll be an honor to be able to survive long enough to surrender.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 16:02:46
March 10 2014 16:00 GMT
#1766
IPL5 was 50kto 1st , 20k to 2nd, so it was actually more because I believe "all star" is winner take all.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
March 10 2014 16:01 GMT
#1767
On March 11 2014 01:00 Slusher wrote:
IPL5 was 50k


IPL is also now defunct and bankrupt
TranslatorBaa!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 10 2014 16:02 GMT
#1768
On March 11 2014 01:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 01:00 Slusher wrote:
IPL5 was 50k


IPL is also now defunct and bankrupt


All aboard the real-talk express.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 16:04 GMT
#1769
Carrilord has arrived.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 10 2014 16:05 GMT
#1770
On March 11 2014 00:57 Slusher wrote:
OGN does contribution for kill which I like, and I've heard it mentioned on LCS casts from time to time.

well yea, but that's like a napkin calculation based on kda stats and team kill count.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 16:10 GMT
#1771
On March 11 2014 01:05 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 00:57 Slusher wrote:
OGN does contribution for kill which I like, and I've heard it mentioned on LCS casts from time to time.

well yea, but that's like a napkin calculation based on kda stats and team kill count.


I don't know what you thought I was trying to argue, I was just saying I find that statistic to be somewhat indicative of a well played game, as opposed to KDA
Carrilord has arrived.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 10 2014 16:19 GMT
#1772
On March 11 2014 01:10 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 01:05 oneofthem wrote:
On March 11 2014 00:57 Slusher wrote:
OGN does contribution for kill which I like, and I've heard it mentioned on LCS casts from time to time.

well yea, but that's like a napkin calculation based on kda stats and team kill count.


I don't know what you thought I was trying to argue, I was just saying I find that statistic to be somewhat indicative of a well played game, as opposed to KDA

not arguing with u. just saying we can figure it out based on kda stats, and so it is not rly a 'stat' by itself that much.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 16:22:59
March 10 2014 16:21 GMT
#1773
All stats and calculations have limitations, and it's up to a competent caster to contextualize and analyze them. A split pushing top laner with 400 CS and <20% kill participation but taking down 5 towers by himself is obviously still relevant, as a random example pulled from nowhere.

There are situations where KDA is better, and also situations where kill participation is more insightful. And of course situations where neither is at all relevant. Ideally we would have as many stats as possible, but that's obviously not practical for a stream platform. Dota 2's in-client observer mode (which is fantastic) allows viewers to choose what to see, but it's easy to see why no one wants to clutter a stream with numbers if that's the only way to watch a game.

The League of Legends teamfight UI is, however, unequivocally awful.

Personally, I'd like CS to be less prominent of a statistic, since from an analysis perspective, gold spent/on-hand is the only thing that matters, but it's obvious why that's not a realistic option.

On March 11 2014 01:22 Kyrie wrote:
i would like to see apm and apm only


Also acceptable.
TranslatorBaa!
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 10 2014 16:22 GMT
#1774
i would like to see apm and apm only
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 10 2014 16:27 GMT
#1775
It would be funny if Riot makes a low APM game mode where you can only perform a fixed number of actions per minute.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 10 2014 16:28 GMT
#1776
Cassiopeia ;_;
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 10 2014 16:29 GMT
#1777
On March 11 2014 01:28 Alaric wrote:
Cassiopeia ;_;


On the other hand, Warwick :D
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
March 10 2014 16:38 GMT
#1778
On March 11 2014 01:27 Sufficiency wrote:
It would be funny if Riot makes a low APM game mode where you can only perform a fixed number of actions per minute.


EUW?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 10 2014 16:46 GMT
#1779
On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions.

Mandu retired, they should totally slump. Plus the format looks to be more entertainment than a search for the best team with bo3 semis.

But yes...
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 10 2014 16:56 GMT
#1780
On March 11 2014 01:46 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions.

Mandu retired, they should totally slump. Plus the format looks to be more entertainment than a search for the best team with bo3 semis.

But yes...

50k a lot of money on the line though. hardly just "entertainment" games for the teams playing.
liftlift > tsm
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