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On March 11 2014 05:12 Omnishroud wrote:
I fucking hate players who play champions with specific mechanics (biggest example would be globals like shen) and have NO idea how to use them, like this isnt even rage because i havent lost games because of it in god knows how long, ive seen people stomp shit with the likes of shen, karthus and completely miss easy shit because they cant use the ultis.
Really infuriating just to think about D: Why do people play these types of champions and not learn how to make use of what makes them unique and good?
True that. But the opposite is true as well. I played as Jungle Panth with a Tele/Nasus on my team last night, and he was all over the map making plays. Wither + Panth Gank was pretty damn terrifying.
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On March 11 2014 03:15 Crusnik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:46 cLutZ wrote:On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions. Mandu retired, they should totally slump. Plus the format looks to be more entertainment than a search for the best team with bo3 semis. But yes... Considering they still have Faker, Bengi, Impact, and Piglet, doubtful. Casper has done well in Master's, granted until their last set of games Faker had died a total of once, so there was that...
Poor sarcasm. Dying a lonely death.
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On March 11 2014 05:33 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:15 Crusnik wrote:On March 11 2014 01:46 cLutZ wrote:On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions. Mandu retired, they should totally slump. Plus the format looks to be more entertainment than a search for the best team with bo3 semis. But yes... Considering they still have Faker, Bengi, Impact, and Piglet, doubtful. Casper has done well in Master's, granted until their last set of games Faker had died a total of once, so there was that... Poor sarcasm. Dying a lonely death.
to be honest Casper looked pretty bad in their last game when he was actually deny'd his main picks, skt is just so far ahead of the pack right now it's going to take more than that to matter.
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On March 11 2014 05:33 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:15 Crusnik wrote:On March 11 2014 01:46 cLutZ wrote:On March 11 2014 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Facetious statements about just giving the money to SKT aside, there's certainly value for teams benchmarking themselves against a top Korean team, not to mention across other regions. Mandu retired, they should totally slump. Plus the format looks to be more entertainment than a search for the best team with bo3 semis. But yes... Considering they still have Faker, Bengi, Impact, and Piglet, doubtful. Casper has done well in Master's, granted until their last set of games Faker had died a total of once, so there was that... Poor sarcasm. Dying a lonely death.
I can't read sarcasm in this thread, I barely play League anymore so i don't often/post here D:
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I have a question. If all-star team in NA bootcamps it again, how will TSM (who will undoubtedly have two people going as allstars) be able to practice as a team for the other tournament as well?
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it's not an all-star game (despite title) it's a mid season championship
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On March 11 2014 06:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I have a question. If all-star team in NA bootcamps it again, how will TSM (who will undoubtedly have two people going as allstars) be able to practice as a team for the other tournament as well?
I think the pickup games are just going to be for showmatch purposes while the full roster games will actually matter.
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On March 11 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:54 phyvo wrote:
Teambuilder is confusing. Heimer mid = average queue time, zyra mid (and most mids) = short, yet that's the standard position for both and as team captain you have no say over what champions people pick for what role. Why the anti-heimer bias?
edit: plus there's lulzy stuff, like, you get a shorter predicted queue time for bot lane annie mage than bot lane annie support. WTF is going on here? I think people just want more playmaking out of the support position than the standard heal and peel.
I think it's because Annie (and Morgana, too) are labeled as mage not support. But that's just a prediction by Rito without any statistics behind it, yet. "Non-support" champion as support? -> Longer Queue.
More exact queue times will go live when teambuilder is out of beta I guess. I have no idea what I'm talking about btw but that's how I explained it to me.
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On March 11 2014 06:10 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:On March 11 2014 04:54 phyvo wrote:
Teambuilder is confusing. Heimer mid = average queue time, zyra mid (and most mids) = short, yet that's the standard position for both and as team captain you have no say over what champions people pick for what role. Why the anti-heimer bias?
edit: plus there's lulzy stuff, like, you get a shorter predicted queue time for bot lane annie mage than bot lane annie support. WTF is going on here? I think people just want more playmaking out of the support position than the standard heal and peel. I think it's because Annie (and Morgana, too) are labeled as mage not support. But that's just a prediction by Rito without any statistics behind it, yet. "Non-support" champion as support? -> Longer Queue. More exact queue times will go live when teambuilder is out of beta I guess. I have no idea what I'm talking about btw but that's how I explained it to me.
I dunno about the lack of statistics thing, Twisted Fate's shortest queue time bottom is marksman before then mage.. that doesn't make sense unless they've got some statistic they're already using.
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It's because of what Riot means by Support.
They're calling Support something that uses skills to directly buff/heal/shield an allied champion. Annie doesn't do that.
Leona gets shorter queue times as bot lane Tank than bot lane Support.
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On March 11 2014 06:15 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 06:10 Don_Julio wrote:On March 11 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:On March 11 2014 04:54 phyvo wrote:
Teambuilder is confusing. Heimer mid = average queue time, zyra mid (and most mids) = short, yet that's the standard position for both and as team captain you have no say over what champions people pick for what role. Why the anti-heimer bias?
edit: plus there's lulzy stuff, like, you get a shorter predicted queue time for bot lane annie mage than bot lane annie support. WTF is going on here? I think people just want more playmaking out of the support position than the standard heal and peel. I think it's because Annie (and Morgana, too) are labeled as mage not support. But that's just a prediction by Rito without any statistics behind it, yet. "Non-support" champion as support? -> Longer Queue. More exact queue times will go live when teambuilder is out of beta I guess. I have no idea what I'm talking about btw but that's how I explained it to me. I dunno about the lack of statistics thing, Twisted Fate's shortest queue time bottom is marksman before then mage.. that doesn't make sense unless they've got some statistic they're already using.
it's becasue mid is popular and almost every capitan will be searching for a bottom marksman
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if you read the ama they said they are testing some extra que parameters that will make it longer just to get an idea of how specific they can make the final version without being too long for comfort.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
what if you want to play say mid soraka do they let you do that in teambuilder
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On March 11 2014 06:10 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:On March 11 2014 04:54 phyvo wrote:
Teambuilder is confusing. Heimer mid = average queue time, zyra mid (and most mids) = short, yet that's the standard position for both and as team captain you have no say over what champions people pick for what role. Why the anti-heimer bias?
edit: plus there's lulzy stuff, like, you get a shorter predicted queue time for bot lane annie mage than bot lane annie support. WTF is going on here? I think people just want more playmaking out of the support position than the standard heal and peel. I think it's because Annie (and Morgana, too) are labeled as mage not support. But that's just a prediction by Rito without any statistics behind it, yet. "Non-support" champion as support? -> Longer Queue. More exact queue times will go live when teambuilder is out of beta I guess. I have no idea what I'm talking about btw but that's how I explained it to me.
Morgana actually has a support tag.
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On March 11 2014 06:36 oneofthem wrote:
what if you want to play say mid soraka do they let you do that in teambuilder
Stuff like mid Soraka / Janna / Lulu has longer queues with Support tag than with Mage tag, that I think is strange.
It seems like they're mixing the Support "role" and the Support lane position some, when they should be two different things.
Edit: I just made a post about it on the feedback thread.
+ Show Spoiler +Lyte,
A little feedback in regards to initial thoughts on Teambuilder.
It seems like there's a bit of overlap between the Support "role" and the Support "lane position" when queueing for a game, and I feel like it might cause a bit of confusion. Let me give some examples of what I mean.
If I pick Annie and say I want to go to Bot lane. If I list my role as Mage, I get an Average wait time, while if I list my role as Support, I get a Very Long wait time.
This is a little confusing to me, since Annie typically goes to bot lane as the zero-CS support position, rather than as the farming position. So I can only assume when I list Annie as a Mage, other players will assume she's going support (hence the shorter queue time).
But in my mind, if I listed Annie as a Mage that means I want her in the farming position building damage items and not gold generation/team utility items, while if I wanted her in the Support position I'd list her as a Support.
This line of thinking is corroborated by the system, because if I say I want to go Mid lane with say, Soraka or Janna, I get a shorter queue time as a Mage than as a Support. I hope you can see the discontinuity here.
I feel like the system would be much clearer if there was a difference between the Support role and the Support position. That way I could list Annie as the Support position (not taking CS in a duo lane), but the Mage role (going to build damage items instead of Talisman/Mikaels/Locket), and it would let me put Soraka in mid lane in a solo lane position, but as the Support role (going to use that farm to buy utility items and transition to a supportive character later in the game.)
All in all it looks pretty good though. I'm very excited.
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I actually really like that post I hope it catches attention.
I logged in just to up boat.
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are you guys complaining about the actual wait times or just their displayed estimate?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Vel'Koz now available for free. Probably for one week
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idk if this is in right place but is anybody actually thinking of going to allstars?
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I saw the earlier Diana jungle talk, and this is more of a general laning Diana question.
When to go Lich Bane in lane or not? I've never built it ever myself, but I almost always defaulted to the Abyssal-> Hourglass vs. AP and vice versa vs. AD.
Sometimes if I'm running TP, I'll go Nashors, but now I'm curious about this Lich Bane Diana. Or is that a strictly objective-based item (like Nashors)?
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