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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 10 2014 07:37 GMT
#1741
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35171 Posts
March 10 2014 07:39 GMT
#1742
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
March 10 2014 08:22 GMT
#1743
Never had any problems to get a visa to China/USA, got 10 years visa for USA for travelling purposes and to China as well but can't recall for how long. I know it's not the same as for esports but come on.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 08:33:12
March 10 2014 08:31 GMT
#1744
On March 10 2014 16:39 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.

He was applying as a journalist, which is the category for CNN correspondents etc, which requires extra clearance and time to process. If he had just swallowed his damn pride and stepped off his soapbox for a minute, he could've gone. Instead, he applies one-two weeks before the flight or so (lol) as a journalist (double lols), and the Visa office and Riot told him to reapply as a tourist (he's a writer covering an esports event, they don't give a fk). He wanted his ridiculous moral high ground and refused. Getting a Visa for China usually averages out at about a week, and all you need to do is submit paperwork. It's pretty damn easy, as someone who has done it multiple times and recently just did it for my mother last week. He was just being an idiot and tried to sensationalize it as some kind of journalistic martyrdom.

A US visa ranges from either annoying (if you're from Europe) to freakishly impossible (see China, India, and anywhere else considered "underdeveloped").

Which is why the athletic visas were/are such a big deal.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 08:34:59
March 10 2014 08:34 GMT
#1745
On March 10 2014 17:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 16:39 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.

He was applying as a journalist, which is the category for CNN correspondents etc, which requires extra clearance and time to process. If he had just swallowed his damn pride and stepped off his soapbox for a minute, he could've gone. Instead, he applies one-two weeks before the flight or so (lol) as a journalist (double lols), and the Visa office and Riot told him to reapply as a tourist (he's a writer covering an esports event, they don't give a fk). He wanted his ridiculous moral high ground and refused. Getting a Visa for China usually averages out at about a week, and all you need to do is submit paperwork. It's pretty damn easy, as someone who has done it multiple times and recently just did it for my mother last week. He was just being an idiot and tried to sensationalize it as some kind of journalistic martyrdom.

A US visa ranges from either annoying (if you're from Europe) to freakishly impossible (see China, India, and anywhere else considered "underdeveloped").

Which is why the athletic visas were/are such a big deal.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. =]

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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 10 2014 11:33 GMT
#1746
On March 10 2014 17:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 16:39 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.

He was applying as a journalist, which is the category for CNN correspondents etc, which requires extra clearance and time to process. If he had just swallowed his damn pride and stepped off his soapbox for a minute, he could've gone. Instead, he applies one-two weeks before the flight or so (lol) as a journalist (double lols), and the Visa office and Riot told him to reapply as a tourist (he's a writer covering an esports event, they don't give a fk). He wanted his ridiculous moral high ground and refused. Getting a Visa for China usually averages out at about a week, and all you need to do is submit paperwork. It's pretty damn easy, as someone who has done it multiple times and recently just did it for my mother last week. He was just being an idiot and tried to sensationalize it as some kind of journalistic martyrdom.

A US visa ranges from either annoying (if you're from Europe) to freakishly impossible (see China, India, and anywhere else considered "underdeveloped").

Which is why the athletic visas were/are such a big deal.


Honestly who would try to get a visa with less than a months notice? Anything less is idiotic unless you are a seasoned veteran or know a power player in said country.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 10 2014 11:36 GMT
#1747
On March 10 2014 17:22 739 wrote:
Never had any problems to get a visa to China/USA, got 10 years visa for USA for travelling purposes and to China as well but can't recall for how long. I know it's not the same as for esports but come on.


Doesn't it mainly come down to just applying for VISA in good time? I've only heard the stories about teams in eSports, but i doubt their management have experience to handling these type of situations prior to events.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 14:10:38
March 10 2014 12:52 GMT
#1748
Maknoon streaming "for EU/Asian fans", goes Teemo mid on the first game. What a tease.

"I guess I should play other champs, I can't carry with Nami... " yep, not from mid.

He says "no more troll" and proceeds to get a SC2 game as soon as his soloQ game launches. That timing. 6-pool inc. ?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 10 2014 13:18 GMT
#1749
On March 10 2014 20:33 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 17:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:39 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.

He was applying as a journalist, which is the category for CNN correspondents etc, which requires extra clearance and time to process. If he had just swallowed his damn pride and stepped off his soapbox for a minute, he could've gone. Instead, he applies one-two weeks before the flight or so (lol) as a journalist (double lols), and the Visa office and Riot told him to reapply as a tourist (he's a writer covering an esports event, they don't give a fk). He wanted his ridiculous moral high ground and refused. Getting a Visa for China usually averages out at about a week, and all you need to do is submit paperwork. It's pretty damn easy, as someone who has done it multiple times and recently just did it for my mother last week. He was just being an idiot and tried to sensationalize it as some kind of journalistic martyrdom.

A US visa ranges from either annoying (if you're from Europe) to freakishly impossible (see China, India, and anywhere else considered "underdeveloped").

Which is why the athletic visas were/are such a big deal.


Honestly who would try to get a visa with less than a months notice? Anything less is idiotic unless you are a seasoned veteran or know a power player in said country.

yea I always give visas or any sort of government document handling about 3 weeks to a month because you never know what might happen. A week ahead of time is naively optimistic at best and stupid at worst.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 10 2014 14:48 GMT
#1750
so uh about the all stars thing. is it really 2 guys from 1 region for 10 total and they make 2 teams? i kind of skipped over that part when i first read it and thought it was just limited to 2 dudes from each team.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 10 2014 14:53 GMT
#1751
AFAIK, all-stars is basically just the best team from each region duking it out for $50k. Then each region sends 2 "all-stars" to a sort of side tournament for fun. Probably just stuff like 1v1 and 2v2s.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 10 2014 15:06 GMT
#1752
I've been trying out Diana jungle in normals and it's been a monster. Any suggestions/advice? I do feel as though my lanes are terribly weak pre-6, but my midgame is unreal with Spectral Wraith -> Zhonya's + Abyssal (though I don't know what item is best for her afterwards).
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 15:12 GMT
#1753
On March 10 2014 23:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
AFAIK, all-stars is basically just the best team from each region duking it out for $50k. Then each region sends 2 "all-stars" to a sort of side tournament for fun. Probably just stuff like 1v1 and 2v2s.


yea I think the lingering confusion is that it's called an all star game still, it's a spring season championship with show matches made from the attending teams.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 15:29:24
March 10 2014 15:25 GMT
#1754
On March 10 2014 17:34 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 17:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:39 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:37 Eppa! wrote:
On March 10 2014 16:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 10 2014 15:52 Eppa! wrote:
America is a shitty country to get a visa for compared to say China.

I think I can remember this happening in SC2 with the plane ticket?

Then if you mention you're a journalist when trying to get into china they blacklist you.

Not really? I actually know someone that is a journalist/academic that went to China for research.

I remember somebody, I think it was penny arcade, tried to go to allstars last year to cover it and they were denied entry multiple times.

He was applying as a journalist, which is the category for CNN correspondents etc, which requires extra clearance and time to process. If he had just swallowed his damn pride and stepped off his soapbox for a minute, he could've gone. Instead, he applies one-two weeks before the flight or so (lol) as a journalist (double lols), and the Visa office and Riot told him to reapply as a tourist (he's a writer covering an esports event, they don't give a fk). He wanted his ridiculous moral high ground and refused. Getting a Visa for China usually averages out at about a week, and all you need to do is submit paperwork. It's pretty damn easy, as someone who has done it multiple times and recently just did it for my mother last week. He was just being an idiot and tried to sensationalize it as some kind of journalistic martyrdom.

A US visa ranges from either annoying (if you're from Europe) to freakishly impossible (see China, India, and anywhere else considered "underdeveloped").

Which is why the athletic visas were/are such a big deal.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. =]

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TPA getting destroyed. Yikes.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1f9wb9/

Here's Reddit basically laughing at the guy for being naive. In the guy's head, he had some strange martyr narrative of the evil Chinese government hauling him off to political prison for daring to cover League of Legends from a western perspective, and he was making a statement or something. It was pretty lol.

The original article links seems to be dead though, but it was your standard super paranoid self righteous I'M TAKING A STAND piece lol.

It can be access via Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20130607062039/http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/why-the-chinese-government-wouldnt-let-me-cover-the-league-of-legends-all-s
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 10 2014 15:28 GMT
#1755
Could just save time and hand skt the 50k check.
liftlift > tsm
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 10 2014 15:32 GMT
#1756
On March 10 2014 15:30 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 11:04 oneofthem wrote:
earlier someone mentioned applying sports analytics to league. we need better data in order to do that. stuff like damage done, good fights initiated etc. some sort of accurate reflection of actual plays rather than kda and such.

it could be interesting though

sports statistics aren't created by magical fairies or computer programs, there are guys watching every game and recording every pitch, every shot, every pass. what's preventing the e-sports data from existing is that there isn't anyone that cares enough to put in the work to create it.

long before there were sabremetrics and player efficiency ratings there was just some guy in the stands filling out a box score.

lol does present some unique challenges to gathering the data though, like if you wanted to track the percentage of CS or skillshots missed in the LCS it would be almost impossible without replays because at any one time up to 90% of the players aren't even on the screen. while in traditional sports the vast majority of meaningful action is centered around a single ball, there is no such focus in league to prevent important events from happening simultaneously causing at least one to be unobserved.

I think that the fact that you can make a great living out of sports betting has something to do with that as well. If eSports betting would be viable then there would likely be better statistics available as well.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 10 2014 15:35 GMT
#1757
On March 11 2014 00:32 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 15:30 chalice wrote:
On March 10 2014 11:04 oneofthem wrote:
earlier someone mentioned applying sports analytics to league. we need better data in order to do that. stuff like damage done, good fights initiated etc. some sort of accurate reflection of actual plays rather than kda and such.

it could be interesting though

sports statistics aren't created by magical fairies or computer programs, there are guys watching every game and recording every pitch, every shot, every pass. what's preventing the e-sports data from existing is that there isn't anyone that cares enough to put in the work to create it.

long before there were sabremetrics and player efficiency ratings there was just some guy in the stands filling out a box score.

lol does present some unique challenges to gathering the data though, like if you wanted to track the percentage of CS or skillshots missed in the LCS it would be almost impossible without replays because at any one time up to 90% of the players aren't even on the screen. while in traditional sports the vast majority of meaningful action is centered around a single ball, there is no such focus in league to prevent important events from happening simultaneously causing at least one to be unobserved.

I think that the fact that you can make a great living out of sports betting has something to do with that as well. If eSports betting would be viable then there would likely be better statistics available as well.


It's kind of a chicken-and-egg situation though.
TranslatorBaa!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 15:38 GMT
#1758
I just wish League could implement a Damage done to champions real time graph, that would have been way cooler than the current team fight interface.

also replays.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 10 2014 15:41 GMT
#1759
Also I think KDA is a boring statistic that is more times than not misleading
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 10 2014 15:46 GMT
#1760
On March 11 2014 00:41 Slusher wrote:
Also I think KDA is a boring statistic that is more times than not misleading

It's also very easy to understand the limitations of KDA.
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