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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 23:00:50
March 09 2014 22:59 GMT
#1701
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 05:06:47
March 09 2014 23:29 GMT
#1702
On March 10 2014 05:42 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 05:31 Eiii wrote:
hey guys, let's say I've been taking advantage of the riot API for the last few weeks and now have super-details stats of a couple million individual play sessions. Is there any interesting data you guys want to see, or questions this dataset might somehow be able to answer?

can you filter for league/division? would be interesting to see who the top 10-20 d1/challenger players are in categories like gold per minute. although i wonder if a stat like that somewhat self-filters, excepting smurfs, i would expect there would be a strong correlation between GPM and ELO.


Shit, this is totally possible but my data collection wasn't set up for it. When I keep toying with this in the future, division info'll be the first thing I add.

On March 10 2014 05:59 iCanada wrote:
What champions tend to do the most damage and take the most damage?

What kind of stats are there in terms of winning percentage?


Just so you know the database's large enough that I sort of have to take a subsample of it-- so instead of 1mil games we're looking at 10k or so, so these results are about right but will change every time I run it. I can get better averages later but I'm not that patient for now lol

+ Show Spoiler +

Top ten champs by average TOTAL damage dealt:
+---------------+-------------+
| champion_name | dmg_dealt |
+---------------+-------------+
| Yasuo | 135913.9677 |
| Caitlyn | 135843.0652 |
| Tryndamere | 132910.8587 |
| Gragas | 129659.8095 |
| Khazix | 127205.7082 |
| Sivir | 126917.9030 |
| Ziggs | 125906.0983 |
| Shyvana | 123609.3276 |
| Nocturne | 122822.1762 |
| Draven | 122589.2317 |
+---------------+-------------+


Top ten champs by average damage dealt to champions:
+---------------+------------+
| champion_name | dmg_dealt |
+---------------+------------+
| Karthus | 31022.7937 |
| KogMaw | 30419.9611 |
| Ziggs | 29483.0096 |
| Brand | 29454.4867 |
| Teemo | 27713.4153 |
| Heimerdinger | 27019.4219 |
| Malzahar | 26265.7943 |
| Xerath | 26258.2840 |
| Viktor | 25683.5024 |
| Cassiopeia | 25568.5516 |
+---------------+------------+

Top ten champs by average damage received:
+---------------+------------+
| champion_name | dmg_taken |
+---------------+------------+
| Warwick | 35901.6750 |
| Trundle | 35618.9461 |
| Singed | 34866.2033 |
| Tryndamere | 34198.2595 |
| Hecarim | 33692.1147 |
| DrMundo | 33623.3967 |
| Nasus | 33540.0823 |
| Volibear | 33254.8566 |
| Renekton | 32992.5195 |
| Sejuani | 30642.5089 |
+---------------+------------+

Top ten combined (dmg dealt to champs + dmg taken):
+---------------+------------+
| champion_name | total_dmg |
+---------------+------------+
| Singed | 55709.3585 |
| Karthus | 55522.2687 |
| Swain | 54857.5090 |
| KogMaw | 52684.8982 |
| DrMundo | 52200.7648 |
| Tryndamere | 51613.7695 |
| Maokai | 50951.2903 |
| Nasus | 50802.3955 |
| Renekton | 50392.6517 |
| Warwick | 50097.1670 |
+---------------+------------+



On March 10 2014 05:44 Alaric wrote:
I'd be pretty interested if you have informations regarding wards, but I'm not sure how to judge it. Average wards per game? Average wards per minute? Average number of wards out on the map at the same time?


Here's what I can do!

+ Show Spoiler +

Average ward stats:
+------------------+------------------+
| avg_wards_bought | avg_wards_placed |
+------------------+------------------+
| 1.0281 | 8.8564 |
+------------------+------------------+


Average ward stats for winning teams:
+------------------+------------------+
| avg_wards_bought | avg_wards_placed |
+------------------+------------------+
| 1.0491 | 9.2788 |
+------------------+------------------+


Average ward stats for losing teams:
+------------------+------------------+
| avg_wards_bought | avg_wards_placed |
+------------------+------------------+
| 1.0079 | 8.4496 |
+------------------+------------------+


:3
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 09 2014 23:32 GMT
#1703
I dont understand why people die to Wukong ganks so hard.

Like... I actually just straight up dont get it. Maybe its just bad golds being bad, but like... the number of times I've seen kids die to level 3 monkey ganks blows my mind. The guy will like walk through their ward, and then they just die. Any other junglert they walk through the ward and they just back and play like a not retard.

I just... I dont understand. Clearly once it goes invis it stops existing.

Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 00:04:12
March 10 2014 00:00 GMT
#1704
And just for fun, here's the bottom ten champs by total damage dealt + taken:

+ Show Spoiler +
+---------------+------------+
| champion_name | total_dmg |
+---------------+------------+
| Janna | 27170.6003 |
| Nami | 29275.7158 |
| Thresh | 32187.2986 |
| Lulu | 32573.9120 |
| Soraka | 32880.3939 |
| Sona | 33052.6329 |
| Leona | 34481.9406 |
| Taric | 35089.2416 |
| Blitzcrank | 36464.9595 |
| Orianna | 36892.9206 |
+---------------+------------+
:3
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 00:04:03
March 10 2014 00:03 GMT
#1705
On March 10 2014 09:00 Eiii wrote:
And just for fun, here's the bottom ten champs by total damage dealt + taken:

+ Show Spoiler +
+---------------+------------+
| champion_name | dmg_taken |
+---------------+------------+
| Lux | 14866.8162 |
| Ziggs | 16674.3790 |
| Orianna | 16943.5862 |
| Xerath | 16982.0504 |
| Janna | 17166.3485 |
| Nami | 17731.4742 |
| Karma | 18047.8628 |
| Syndra | 18056.0506 |
| Zyra | 18266.3835 |
| Veigar | 18298.6930 |
+---------------+------------+


This is really interesting. I assume you can get the statistics of each match, including the champions played in each match?

It would be interesting to do some statistical analysis to figure out which champions counter which.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 00:04:42
March 10 2014 00:04 GMT
#1706
Wrong thread zzz
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
March 10 2014 00:05 GMT
#1707
PS I copied the wrong table into that post, it's updated now and correct.

You could do some weird machine learning stuff but this dataset is so huge I don't even wanna try. It's theoretically possible I think, though I only have a little bit of knowledge about ML!
:3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 10 2014 00:13 GMT
#1708
That's way higher than I'd have thought (for the wards). As people said, I'd be curious to see it cut by divisions. Do you know how's the repartition at least (eg. if there's 40% bronze games or if it's more or less balanced, for example), or nothing at all?

Amusing how people on average only buy one ward but drop seven, trinket OP.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 10 2014 00:13 GMT
#1709
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


It's funny because it's true.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 00:29:08
March 10 2014 00:27 GMT
#1710
On March 10 2014 09:13 Alaric wrote:
That's way higher than I'd have thought (for the wards). As people said, I'd be curious to see it cut by divisions. Do you know how's the repartition at least (eg. if there's 40% bronze games or if it's more or less balanced, for example), or nothing at all?

Amusing how people on average only buy one ward but drop seven, trinket OP.


nothing at all, that's something I wasn't even collecting. I'm not convinced I could get a great sample size for the higher divisions anyway, though. I could expand my current dataset to include that info, but it'd take about ten days thanks to the rate limit
:3
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 10 2014 00:43 GMT
#1711
On March 10 2014 09:13 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


It's funny because it's true.


At least on Reddit you get banned for making it your personal blog.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 10 2014 00:55 GMT
#1712
On March 10 2014 09:05 Eiii wrote:
PS I copied the wrong table into that post, it's updated now and correct.

You could do some weird machine learning stuff but this dataset is so huge I don't even wanna try. It's theoretically possible I think, though I only have a little bit of knowledge about ML!


I don't think it;s machine learning. It's just statistics. I think if GEE is applied to this dataset we can find out the the synergies and counters of a particular champion (provided there is enough data).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 10 2014 01:19 GMT
#1713
On March 10 2014 09:13 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


It's funny because it's true.

i think you are unfairly judging csheep for his past behavior, rather than being objective about the present.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#1714
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


You disabled being able to enter text/things like 10e99, but entering decimals still makes it die
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#1715
On March 10 2014 10:43 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


You disabled being able to enter text/things like 10e99, but entering decimals still makes it die


Oh god please who is going to enter decimal lol.

I think entering things like 1e4 works as intended, though.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 02:04:58
March 10 2014 02:04 GMT
#1716
The Maknoon that is streaming does not look like Maknoon. Did he gain a lot of weight or something? What did he do when he was retired?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 10 2014 02:04 GMT
#1717
earlier someone mentioned applying sports analytics to league. we need better data in order to do that. stuff like damage done, good fights initiated etc. some sort of accurate reflection of actual plays rather than kda and such.

it could be interesting though
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 02:07:54
March 10 2014 02:06 GMT
#1718
On March 10 2014 11:04 oneofthem wrote:
earlier someone mentioned applying sports analytics to league. we need better data in order to do that. stuff like damage done, good fights initiated etc. some sort of accurate reflection of actual plays rather than kda and such.

it could be interesting though


I looked at the Riot API.

It seems that you need to crawl your way to get the match history, because the API itself only provides the match history per USER... and since there is a limit to how many times you can get someone's match history, you have to space out the requests and it can potentially take months.

But, like I said, one of the easiest things that can be done is synergy/counter analysis. All that is needed is the match history for the last X months to do a fairly good analysis.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 10 2014 02:28 GMT
#1719
On March 10 2014 09:13 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 iCanada wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:33 Ketara wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Apparently my RP calculator reddit post got deleted by a mod. Boo.


This is why Reddit is bad.


No explanation is supplied so I am gonna repost it.


Why would they even delete it?

Dont make sense...


No idea. My other post which I did things manually reached the front page. I don't see why this one is bad.

But hey, at least lol reddit is moderated, where as here Cheep can just go around insult anyone at will. So it's a trade off.

Anyway, new post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1zzzu3/rp_calculator_figure_out_how_to_get_to_0_rp/


It's funny because it's true.

Nice driveby btw I like it
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 10 2014 02:29 GMT
#1720
On March 10 2014 11:04 HazMat wrote:
The Maknoon that is streaming does not look like Maknoon. Did he gain a lot of weight or something? What did he do when he was retired?

Looks like he ate a lotta cheeseburgers.
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