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On February 21 2014 15:31 MooMooMugi wrote:
Is Jungle necessary on Hexakill? Been trying out 2/2/2 it works pretty well if you the duo mid denies the enemy mid and hard for the enemy jungle gank if trinket wards are placed smartly.
If you keep control over your buffs the 2/2/2 it´s viable, you can begin at 1:55 giving blue to one of the mid AP champions and red to the adc/top (it depends on the side), then keep an eye on the timer for the next buffs. The danger it´s when the enemy team jungle/roamer colapses over one of your lines, but with TP you can make some awesome plays.
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On February 21 2014 05:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm probably one of the higher ranked support mains here (I'm D5, and all you D1 non-support mains are probably better than me lol), and my 2c is that Warwick support sucks.
You have a steroid and heal that are in most regards inferior to Nunu, who was mentioning in passing. You have zero CC, and apart from a lvl 1 with mass offensive runes and masteries, you don't really have that much damage. From level 1 to 6 you are basically letting your AD 1v2 because you bring nothing to the lane except the hope of brush control in the unlikely case that your AD 1v2's the enemy team to low health.
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Not really related to ww support, but i feel that almost all the people here tend to severely overestimate the level of enemy which they face. Lane is bad, we agree on that, but can your d5 enemies can hit every hook?, they harras for every tiny overextned?, they 3 man dive successfully every time at bot?, they got awesome ward controll?, they know how to properly act when ganked?...No.
If we look at that plat oce guy replay from before, you could see a draven thresh lane.....who are "supposed" to beat ww into pulp, but they have no real clue what they are doing or dont have the skills to pull it off . Same with the ziggs mid who simply don't understand the risk of him staying versus ignite ganks...[and once he does, it doesnt matter since dives]. That ww guy had awful build, wasn't above the game level, didn't even outplay anything, but still ended good.
This is the level of most games until d1[and even at that level there are quite a few]. So the mistakes are there, and you with a slight outplay you can take full advantage of them.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Are we starting to discuss this shit again? WOW IM DONE
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After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw.
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On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw.
I think he's always susceptible to getting rocked over by bruisers who have strong gap closers.
With decent supporting cast, I could see him being pretty good though. Shame Dig's sidelanes went major derp, and Scarra wasn't able to show how a game win looks like with Veigar.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw.
I love the fact that people have no idea how to play against Viktor on my level and tend to overextend 24/7. Especially when your Augment upgraded and one big item, like Void staff, the ult dmg + lazer damage is massive.
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On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw.
But if they do have experience, he's pretty bad. So it's 50% chance
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On February 21 2014 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. I think he's always susceptible to getting rocked over by bruisers who have strong gap closers. With decent supporting cast, I could see him being pretty good though. Shame Dig's sidelanes went major derp, and Scarra wasn't able to show how a game win looks like with Veigar.
I'm personally talking just soloq, because he has major problems still in competitive play (usually dies to coordinated dives). But in just a random game, people have no idea how long range his e is so they just get stunned by it and your team gets a pick and objectives, repeat.
Also, people seem to have no idea what to pick vs it, since I had people "counter" pick me with kat a few times... which did not end well for them.
On February 21 2014 17:36 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. But if they do have experience, he's pretty bad. So it's 50% chance
I'll get back to you when I lose a game on him.
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On February 21 2014 17:36 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. But if they do have experience, he's pretty bad. So it's 50% chance
Am I seriously hearing this from you?
like what the fuck.
On February 21 2014 17:36 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. I think he's always susceptible to getting rocked over by bruisers who have strong gap closers. With decent supporting cast, I could see him being pretty good though. Shame Dig's sidelanes went major derp, and Scarra wasn't able to show how a game win looks like with Veigar. I'm personally talking just soloq, because he has major problems still in competitive play (usually dies to coordinated dives). But in just a random game, people have no idea how long range his e is so they just get stunned by it and your team gets a pick and objectives, repeat. Also, people seem to have no idea what to pick vs it, since I had people "counter" pick me with kat a few times... which did not end well for them.
The recent AMA of the guy who got into challengers with only Veigar definitely opened up my eye on how the lane should be played out. Pretty interesting stuff, I don't think his lane is as weak as people think it is.
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You can still outplay and win  , but as you said, many people have no experience against actual good non aram tiny mage.
wei2coolman: what's the matter?
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On February 21 2014 17:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:36 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. But if they do have experience, he's pretty bad. So it's 50% chance Am I seriously hearing this from you? like what the fuck. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 17:36 dae wrote:On February 21 2014 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:On February 21 2014 17:30 dae wrote:
After so long of nerfing all the fotm mids to the ground, and leaving veigar untouched, holy shit is he good atm.
Alot of players don't have any experience playing vs him, so its like free kills left right and center and free picks all game every game.
And if you have a good early game you get 1000+ ap mid-lategame and can just kill whoever dives into your team first.
This is at D3 level btw. I think he's always susceptible to getting rocked over by bruisers who have strong gap closers. With decent supporting cast, I could see him being pretty good though. Shame Dig's sidelanes went major derp, and Scarra wasn't able to show how a game win looks like with Veigar. I'm personally talking just soloq, because he has major problems still in competitive play (usually dies to coordinated dives). But in just a random game, people have no idea how long range his e is so they just get stunned by it and your team gets a pick and objectives, repeat. Also, people seem to have no idea what to pick vs it, since I had people "counter" pick me with kat a few times... which did not end well for them. The recent AMA of the guy who got into challengers with only Veigar definitely opened up my eye on how the lane should be played out. Pretty interesting stuff, I don't think his lane is as weak as people think it is.
eh. his laning is weak when you factor in jungle pressure and if the enemy picks AD assassins. That said, he's so rarely played that you can absolutely just wreck teams with your E stun. I honestly don't understand how Veigar's E stun still exists when Riot thinks a 3 second fear is "toxic."
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On February 21 2014 16:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Can talk a bit more about hexakill now that I'm on my comp.
Yasuo is stupid good in this, getting multipeople knockup is insanely easy, and his ulti just extends that power even further. He's good in this for the same reason he's good in high level 5v5's.
Resets are king. Katarina especially, it's so easy to get resets on Katarina, only need to get one squishy person to die to ulti, to snowball out her damage in a fight. Especially if you can pair it with something like a Wukong ulti, that prevents people from getting to Kat.
Teemo's shroom control is pretty insane, since there's more people there's more likely to be sloppy map rotations and movement, that means more likely for people to get hit by a random shroom, taking them down to very low health, allowing your team to capitalize on it.
Played a game with satan, shroomed up all of top jungle. Got a triple kill off of shrooms, was pretty hilarious.
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OGN qualifiers FT. Support nautilus.
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On February 21 2014 18:27 Amui wrote:
OGN qualifiers FT. Support nautilus.
I found nautilus really good support awhile ago but I think Leona is the slightly more useful one. If they hit her with a nerf or two I think it'd be his time to shine and I can finally say I was nautilus support hipster.
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maybe if they nerf all these pokey mids Tf can be played again
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Veigar is strong. He has a built in chalice, so unlike most AP's he can actually skip chalice 100% by going double dring which also allows him to bully really hard. Plus, his q means he gets the equivalent of a free amp tome every time he backs essentially. It's pretty ridiculous when both AP's have the same exact full build, except Veigar has 100 more ap.
If he plays carefully and avoids getting ganked by enemy jungle or anything, he will come out of lane with quite a bit more damage than his opponent. Since you are getting so much so from your passive, you can afford to but wards and stay safe. No excuse. If you're playing an ap mid against a Veigar who can hit his e, you're basically zoned out if he has his ult.
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On February 21 2014 19:11 ticklishmusic wrote:
Veigar is strong. He has a built in chalice, so unlike most AP's he can actually skip chalice 100% by going double dring which also allows him to bully really hard. Plus, his q means he gets the equivalent of a free amp tome every time he backs essentially. It's pretty ridiculous when both AP's have the same exact full build, except Veigar has 100 more ap.
If he plays carefully and avoids getting ganked by enemy jungle or anything, he will come out of lane with quite a bit more damage than his opponent. Since you are getting so much so from your passive, you can afford to but wards and stay safe. No excuse. If you're playing an ap mid against a Veigar who can hit his e, you're basically zoned out if he has his ult.
Not to mention he's pretty hard to gank imo, his E is basically Mummys ult on a way shorter cooldown and targeted.
Even if you get a kill or two on him early it actually is basically still favoring him since his ult will scale off your damage too lolol.
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I played a game with a Veigar a couple days ago. He rushed Athene's vs Zed. The other team was entirely AD. He said that he had to because Veigar is a very mana hungry champion.
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On February 21 2014 19:17 GolemMadness wrote:
I played a game with a Veigar a couple days ago. He rushed Athene's vs Zed. The other team was entirely AD. He said that he had to because Veigar is a very mana hungry champion.
I believe there is a point where you cannot sustain spamming Q anymore, especially if you use other spells. Well actually im kinda sure if you spam it on cooldown to harass or last hit you cant sustain it even with base mana + passive
but chalice/couple dorans might make up for it though.
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