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On February 19 2014 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:40 Alaric wrote:
We're losing a game because Kassadin survives 4 fights in a row sub 50 HP. The reason we can't finish him? Animations cancel when he ults out of vision. Autos don't complete, Jax doesn't jump despite being nearly sticked to Kass, etc.
I've always experimented that with Nautilus, for example, but it's absurd how inconsistant casts and animations can be in some situations. Basically screwed us for absolutely no good reason at all.
Any idea how to play Jax when against Darius? I've been 2nd pick thrice in three games today, people trying to counterpick me all day with obnoxious lanes, pretty annoying. Darius even moreso. :< Don't blind pick Jax. I don't think there's anything Jax can do to win that lane, short of having jungler gank Darius 4 times in a row, with each kill going to you. Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:38 KissBlade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
hopefully never, any sort of buff would send diana straight to FOTM unless its something like lowering the CD on E or something else useless.
Her tank build with max W first is already pretty strong, give it a try. 9-21-0 W first Is there any adjustments in play style from her standard build? IE, how should I lane, item build, teamfight, etc. Well first, you're going to have to actually hit her Q. + Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure Jax vs Darius is an even/skill matchup. I usually win with jax and I don't even play top lane ;s
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On February 19 2014 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 KissBlade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
hopefully never, any sort of buff would send diana straight to FOTM unless its something like lowering the CD on E or something else useless.
Her tank build with max W first is already pretty strong, give it a try. 9-21-0 W first Is there any adjustments in play style from her standard build? IE, how should I lane, item build, teamfight, etc. abyssal and hourglass is a good place to start depending on what you need. if your team doesnt benefit too much from the mr drop then you can finish chalice into athene's early...pretty much just tanky AP items. laning is pretty similar, still trash 1-5 but you are pretty much ungankable, very hard to kill her even 1v2 with how tank you will be. great at baiting mid teamfights you just play as a bruiser instead of an assasin, you can walk right up to their carries and combo them and then get in a few more rotations unless focused. hourglass really important on her Look at you, posting in here again n' shit. <3
im back to spread the love of underplayed champs that are still kinda okay
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I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression.
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On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression.
Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard.
Jax tools panth and Renekton.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:40 Alaric wrote:
We're losing a game because Kassadin survives 4 fights in a row sub 50 HP. The reason we can't finish him? Animations cancel when he ults out of vision. Autos don't complete, Jax doesn't jump despite being nearly sticked to Kass, etc.
I've always experimented that with Nautilus, for example, but it's absurd how inconsistant casts and animations can be in some situations. Basically screwed us for absolutely no good reason at all.
Any idea how to play Jax when against Darius? I've been 2nd pick thrice in three games today, people trying to counterpick me all day with obnoxious lanes, pretty annoying. Darius even moreso. :<
animation in lol is fast as hell compared to dota etc. kassadin is cancer though
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On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton.
You all should read, or at least get the concept of, the Magic article called "Who's the Beatdown"
In every lane, one of you is the beatdown, and one of you is the inevitability. Someone like Renekton or Riven is the beatdown. He has to win lane or he loses. Someone like Nasus or Jax is the inevitability. He wins so long as he doesn't lose lane.
I think that's the answer to the question of how to deal with X as Y. Sometimes you can't deal with them in lane, but that's the point. If you are the inevitability, your goal is survival. Anything more is just gravy.
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Well exactly. Jax might be a sad panda till level 9, but if he makes it there and Darius isn't two levels ahead with like 1k+ more gold Jax won.
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On February 19 2014 07:33 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton. You all should read, or at least get the concept of, the Magic article called "Who's the Beatdown" In every lane, one of you is the beatdown, and one of you is the inevitability. Someone like Renekton or Riven is the beatdown. He has to win lane or he loses. Someone like Nasus or Jax is the inevitability. He wins so long as he doesn't lose lane. I think that's the answer to the question of how to deal with X as Y. Sometimes you can't deal with them in lane, but that's the point. If you are the inevitability, your goal is survival. Anything more is just gravy.
With the way Riot balances, this is much less true in Lol right now. The champions that are actually good earlygame, and fall off lategame enough to make up for shitting on your lane opponent can be counted on a hand.
Like Jax vs. Renekton, assuming equal skill and equal jungler interference the Renekton will be ahead deep into the game because he will zone half the time, then force Jax to CS at Turret the other half the time, and Assuming they are equal will be 1k+ gold ahead going into midgame, and should snowball that into more and the jax wont outscale him until Renekton is at 6 items (earlier for Dueling, but we are assuming the Renekton isn't an idiot and will force teamfights where he is better).
Not that Jax is bad or Renekton is OP based on 1 matchup, I'm just pointing out thats not really very true anymore in this game.
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On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton.
Darius getting kills in a melee lane is not a hard thing. Darius wrecks pretty much everyone in melee range in lane.
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On February 19 2014 07:41 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton. Darius getting kills in a melee lane is not a hard thing. Darius wrecks pretty much everyone in melee range in lane.
hes also insanely easy to get behind considering he has no escape mechanic, 1 mistake and ur lane is completely over
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On February 19 2014 07:45 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:41 wei2coolman wrote:On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton. Darius getting kills in a melee lane is not a hard thing. Darius wrecks pretty much everyone in melee range in lane. hes also insanely easy to get behind considering he has no escape mechanic, 1 mistake and ur lane is completely over
Yeah, that's why we don't see him in competitive. So easy to gank, but in solo queue you can get away with it really easily, and just dumpster whoever the lane is.
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Darius got the buff when they tried to invade us (red buff, we were purple side) so I played pansy, only eating a Q on purpose so he was pushing the lane. I ended up getting a kill on him (around level 4 or so, the buff had worn off) because he didn't manage his passive well and took 2 tower shots over the course of harassing me under tower.
Despite that he was still beating me in manfights though, and it's really hard to harass him since his passive will give him the MS to chase, his W keeps you glued to him, and even if you disengage (for example wasting Q to get away) he can just react with E and prolong the trade.
Considering his passive's DoT lets him win any fights, you don't want that. So I actually don't see how I can try and aggro him, unless he somehow misses a Q.
I mean, telling me "play pansy till 9, don't lose farm and you'll win" is a pretty minimal way of describing the lane and it's not gonna help me at all.  Apart from pulling the lane under tower, knowing I'm going to lose farm everytime he decides to back because he'll have the initiative, that it may snowball, and that it's going to help him dive (esp. with a bursty jungler) because of the wave always there, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do at all (oh, yeah, triforce prob > BotRK, plus HP over armour obv.).
He can basically zone me from level 1 onward and I'm going to miss a bunch of farm if he's smart and zones me over harassing me, for a slow push. So... yeah. I'm not sure how Jax could win that lane without jungler intervention, which is what I need (or at least go even—he beat me 39k to 23k damage to champs in the hour-long game, being able to faceroll burst compared to an auto-reliant champ made me easier to peel  ).
Then again, Pantheon can super easily lose that lane, Irelia loses it, Olaf loses it, and I haven't been playing Lissandra enough to be proficient with her, so... my offlane pool basically autoloses to Darius, same with my mid pool disliking Anivia. x)
(To asnwer to the "don't blind pick" thing: duh, sometimes when they first pick a Lee you are going to blindpick anyway, and people are dumb/lemmings enough at this level than barring big streaks of luck I can reliably beat Renekton or Trundle with Jax.)
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I dunno, only way for darius to hard bully Jax is with q. Jax is probably my go to champ to farm at tower.
He either pushes you in with trades or let's you farm reasonably because Wmax not possible with Dshield. Just bait him into winning a few trades in your melee minions. You'll have waves at your tower easy, and with his passive he can't bully you in tower range.
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On February 19 2014 07:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:45 kongoline wrote:On February 19 2014 07:41 wei2coolman wrote:On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton. Darius getting kills in a melee lane is not a hard thing. Darius wrecks pretty much everyone in melee range in lane. hes also insanely easy to get behind considering he has no escape mechanic, 1 mistake and ur lane is completely over Yeah, that's why we don't see him in competitive. So easy to gank, but in solo queue you can get away with it really easily, and just dumpster whoever the lane is.
Only works to a point, good junglers target that kind of thing.
Priority for soloQ ganks:
1. Good opportunities
2. Unorthodox lanes (to make them look bad and cause enemy rage)
3. No escape lanes
4. Lanes which are winning to snowball even more
5. Ignore all others and just farm
Follow these commandments and you too shall reach the promised land where Scip and Teut reside.
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On February 19 2014 07:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:45 kongoline wrote:On February 19 2014 07:41 wei2coolman wrote:On February 19 2014 07:21 iCanada wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Sufficiency wrote:
I always thought Jax wins vs Darius? I could be wrong but that is my impression. Yeah, I've always thought Darius basically needs kills in lane or Jax hard won lane. With dshield and jax kit that's Hard. Jax tools panth and Renekton. Darius getting kills in a melee lane is not a hard thing. Darius wrecks pretty much everyone in melee range in lane. hes also insanely easy to get behind considering he has no escape mechanic, 1 mistake and ur lane is completely over Yeah, that's why we don't see him in competitive. So easy to gank, but in solo queue you can get away with it really easily, and just dumpster whoever the lane is.
Uhh...how?
Darius pushes the lane if he wants to harass with q. Jax under tower has AD from runes and w.
If darius pushes he has no escapes from ganks. Do you even read what you're typing? How does he dumpster a champ that can farm under tower? how does he do this when there's a jungler on the other team and jax has leap and stun?
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Yeah I usually max Q to easily bully people with double-tap -> Q if I have to -> auto, but since against Darius I'm not going to try and initiate on him I might as well just max W for the cooldown. Also maybe BotRK if I have to wait for super late fights, because the time to harass into later all-in will be long gone by the time I can fight back.
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Also, if Darius really running your show for whatever reason don't straight rush btork, get like a giants belt. With your free stats from ult and your escapes he shouldn't be able to kill you like at all.
Also, I think W better on Jax personally, but i no top laner. Jax is one of those champs with so much ability to outplay
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Also I feel even if Jax gets pulled he can just Q or E. In a straight up duel I feel Jax has the advantage despite Darius' s W. Jax doesn't have the problems that Irelia has against Darius.
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Also Jax scales a whole helluva a lot better than Darius who can easily get kited late game
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"If Overload kills its target Ryze gains 30 mana."
wat? is that permanent mana?
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