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little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
February 10 2014 22:49 GMT
#61
Ashe Hawkshot buff, yay. Not like it helps her when Renek/Shy/Zed/Khazix/LeBlanc/any other gap closing meta bruiser/assassin jump her ass lategame, but I always loved her playstyle, so a little more gold in the early game might be a reason to carefully introduce Ashe back into my playgroup.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
February 10 2014 22:50 GMT
#62
I think the pick order change is going to increase toxicity in champ select. It's nice for duos that you don't get first/last or last/last every time, but making the experience even worse for the solos isn't worth it imo.
日本語が分かりますか
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
February 10 2014 22:55 GMT
#63
What if Riot just puts in extremely stupid changes in the patch notes so that people pay less attention to the fact that they don't know how to balance overpowered/broken champions
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 10 2014 22:55 GMT
#64
As someone who duo-que's more then he should because you know I am the toxicity/ruining the game. Nothing changes.
I am still going to get pushed into roles I don't want to do/don't feel overly comfortable and I am going to watch a jungle renekton get killed by his red buff.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
February 10 2014 22:55 GMT
#65
If you were in soloQ you almost never got first or last pick anyway because most of the time a duoQ would take them. This doesn't seem like any deal breaker for soloQ. 90% of players won't even take notice and the other 10% wouldn't know the difference if they never read the patch notes.

Mountain from a mole hill.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 22:59:14
February 10 2014 22:56 GMT
#66
Just re-read the patch notes. Xerath ult 5600 range...
The baron steal highlight reels are going to be amusing, they've basically given him sunstrike.

On February 11 2014 07:55 Ghost-z wrote:
If you were in soloQ you almost never got first or last pick anyway because most of the time a duoQ would take them. This doesn't seem like any deal breaker for soloQ.
Mountain from a mole hill.


Not really true, I get it ~20% of the time playing alone, or roughly there about. Premades tend to be (at least in my experience) the last two picks more often then they get first and last, and on the occasions they do, I know the first pick is going to be higher rated then most people in the game, and will almost always do well, if not straight up carry the game. (Whether they do well enough to make up for their duo partner failing is another question.)
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 10 2014 22:56 GMT
#67
i really don't like the pickorder changes lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22405 Posts
February 10 2014 23:00 GMT
#68
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
anonemouse
Profile Joined February 2014
17 Posts
February 10 2014 23:02 GMT
#69
On February 11 2014 07:56 killerdog wrote:
Just re-read the patch notes. Xerath ult 5600 range...
The baron steal highlight reels are going to be amusing, they've basically given him sunstrike.

playing on pbe, xeraths range was bonkers, then they gave him a lot more damage then said, yeah, he's ready to go. he wasn't really overpowered before riot added more damage, but dang, any amount of damage from 3k+ range without travel time is ridiculous.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
February 10 2014 23:02 GMT
#70
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
February 10 2014 23:04 GMT
#71
While i guess it depends on your level i definitely think Cait is the best ADC currently with Jinx nerfs, she destroys almost all lanes except with leona support.

"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 23:05:46
February 10 2014 23:05 GMT
#72
On February 11 2014 08:02 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it


Joining old matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the highest elo on your team unless you hold #1-4 in challenger.
Joining new matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the first pick on your team always.

Are you a smurf account for Wild Turtle?
If the answer is no then this changes nothing for you.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 10 2014 23:09 GMT
#73
On February 11 2014 08:04 Eppa! wrote:
While i guess it depends on your level i definitely think Cait is the best ADC currently with Jinx nerfs, she destroys almost all lanes except with leona support.


Very debatable
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
February 10 2014 23:10 GMT
#74
On February 11 2014 08:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 08:02 Dusty wrote:
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it


Joining old matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the highest elo on your team unless you hold #1-4 in challenger.
Joining new matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the first pick on your team always.

Are you a smurf account for Wild Turtle?
If the answer is no then this changes nothing for you.

Except you forgot about duo queue.
Jaedong :3
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
February 10 2014 23:11 GMT
#75
On February 11 2014 08:02 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it


there is no reward, you aren't actually higher ELO. you are just math illiterate.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 23:23:27
February 10 2014 23:14 GMT
#76
On February 11 2014 08:10 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 08:05 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 11 2014 08:02 Dusty wrote:
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it


Joining old matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the highest elo on your team unless you hold #1-4 in challenger.
Joining new matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the first pick on your team always.

Are you a smurf account for Wild Turtle?
If the answer is no then this changes nothing for you.

Except you forgot about duo queue.


The only thing this changes is so you can't guarantee first pick by duo qing with someone much lower than you, so whatever. It's kind of an "exploit" anyways.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 23:17:14
February 10 2014 23:15 GMT
#77
On February 11 2014 08:10 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 08:05 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 11 2014 08:02 Dusty wrote:
On February 11 2014 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Pick order doesn't change a thing whats do people not like about it?


before you were rewarded with being able to secure your role by being higher elo than all your teammates, now you don't get anything, riot just shit all over its playerbase and people are just happy to disregard it


Joining old matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the highest elo on your team unless you hold #1-4 in challenger.
Joining new matchmaking gives you a 1/5 chance of being the first pick on your team always.

Are you a smurf account for Wild Turtle?
If the answer is no then this changes nothing for you.

Except you forgot about duo queue.

Nope Duo queue is still a 1/5 chance with the new and old system.
ok ok slightly lower then 1/5 for old if your with a high difference duo queue in your team.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 10 2014 23:29 GMT
#78
well, i welcome the direct buff to Ashe GP lane.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
February 10 2014 23:36 GMT
#79
Cash Ashe recieved massive nerf. I am sad about this, how can I complete Team Wall Street when they nerf it at every turn.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 10 2014 23:37 GMT
#80
xerath stealin blue buff stealin red buff stealin dragon stealing baron
hide wife and children etc
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