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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 13 2014 19:05 GMT
#661
So... nerfed or not, Riven is still stupidly faceroll and absurd as shit lategame.
And when you don't have a gapcloser Jinx isn't "escapeless" or "unsafe" at all, to the contrary.

At least next time I won't expect to live more than 7s against the enemy team who only has one LW when I have 230 armour and 3800 HP. ._. I still have trouble wrapping my head around how much damage they did to me through that (they had an Amumu support but his W "only" did 400 damage over the 7s).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23352 Posts
February 13 2014 19:07 GMT
#662
try playing riven lategame and see how faceroll you find it

maybe its a good idea not to duel fed duelists when you're a tank with no damage
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 13 2014 19:14 GMT
#663
On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote:
NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet.


I got one loss prevented


Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
February 13 2014 19:19 GMT
#664
On February 14 2014 04:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:
On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote:
NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet.


I got one loss prevented


Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes?


Ever since 4.2
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 19:21:46
February 13 2014 19:20 GMT
#665
No lag spikes, nor login queue on EUW, despite Riot saying there may be (and I logged in at peak hour too).

On February 14 2014 04:07 Slayer91 wrote:
try playing riven lategame and see how faceroll you find it

maybe its a good idea not to duel fed duelists when you're a tank with no damage

Actually he wasn't fed at all, and from laning against him the guy was really bad. He tried doing cute stuff but failed, and his mechanics were worse than mine (he couldn't farm under tower and failed nearly all his shields against my E).
I mean, if they were ahead and the guy trashed me from the beginning with superior play do you think I'd have attributed how fast I die as he facerolls to the champion?

Xerath seems pretty obnoxious if you lack burst too, since he can routinely use his stun and a 80% (decaying over 2.5s) slow. That had probably more to do with me playing Olaf tho, obviously with an assassin or somebody like Jax (who gets triforce so more MS, and a gapcloser) it would have been different.
His ult is really... weird, though. I didn't understand what was coming the first time he used it on me, partly because we had Elise on the team so I didn't really register the circle. But even then, the "zone" appears on the ground very fast and he can immediatly shoot so you don't have much time to react (less than against Ziggs or Pantheon I believe) and the particle is so, so underwhelming. Why would they make him throw drops at people for his "ultimate" ability?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 13 2014 19:33 GMT
#666
On February 14 2014 04:19 Gnosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 04:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:
On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote:
NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet.


I got one loss prevented


Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes?


Ever since 4.2

When I was playing last night, I wasn't having issues. Other people in the game were though.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 13 2014 19:35 GMT
#667
Oh man, I don't know why you guys were all bitching about doing bad in placements and getting placed low.

I did bad in placements and got placed low and these games are so easy. It's amazing.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 19:35 GMT
#668
I remember seeing Ninjaken (that's his name right?) Going blue then directly to red. You can pull it off if you smite the first buff monster as soon as it spawns. Very risky, of course, but it's soloQ.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23352 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 19:36:59
February 13 2014 19:36 GMT
#669
it doesn't matter if he's "fed" or not, you clearly don't know the limits of your and his champion and also building full tank is an extremely inefficient way to duel anyone with any kind of tankiness (rivens shield)

you complain about people being bad but when you make terrible plays you just blame the oppoents chmapion being bullshit, you'd complain the same if you played riven vs olaf and lost about how bullshit olafs laning is

riven is really fucking squishy for a melee and trades it for insane damage scaling so of course you lose 1v1
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 19:44:38
February 13 2014 19:36 GMT
#670
You won't hit level 3 off of it so I'm not sure if it's that superior.

^ I'm not talking about killing people, I built full tank because I had to, Riven was bad as heck but Jinx was getting a bunch of kills so I wanted to be able to do my job. When I noticed that I couldn't even zone her because she'd drop half my HP by herself if she hit zap into auto-chompers while my ult was down, and that with 200+ armour when she had IE/PD/LW and her steroid, I wasn't going to build more damage.

We lost in the end because we made bad calls during fights (we had Ezreal, Elise and Nidalee so going in early wasn't a good idea, but Thresh dived in at their last inhib tower as soon as he hooked Jinx, so we couldn't finish the game, and later Elise dc'd during a fight over nashor so the 4v5 sealed the deal), doesn't mean Riven wasn't bad as heck (his decision path in fights was "I'm alone -> burn all dashes in a row to run ; at least an ally in range -> burn all dashes in a row on Olaf", not even making it up), or that Jinx didn't somehow shred my 9200 physical EHP post-LW at that time (around 6100 he did by himself though) in less than 10s and without his ult.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
February 13 2014 19:42 GMT
#671
On February 14 2014 04:36 Slayer91 wrote:
it doesn't matter if he's "fed" or not, you clearly don't know the limits of your and his champion and also building full tank is an extremely inefficient way to duel anyone with any kind of tankiness (rivens shield)

you complain about people being bad but when you make terrible plays you just blame the oppoents chmapion being bullshit, you'd complain the same if you played riven vs olaf and lost about how bullshit olafs laning is

riven is really fucking squishy for a melee and trades it for insane damage scaling so of course you lose 1v1

Full tank can work for duels if you build thornmail
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 19:50 GMT
#672
On February 14 2014 04:36 Alaric wrote:
You won't hit level 3 off of it so I'm not sure if it's that superior.

^ I'm not talking about killing people, I built full tank because I had to, Riven was bad as heck but Jinx was getting a bunch of kills so I wanted to be able to do my job. When I noticed that I couldn't even zone her because she'd drop half my HP by herself if she hit zap into auto-chompers while my ult was down, and that with 200+ armour when she had IE/PD/LW and her steroid, I wasn't going to build more damage.

We lost in the end because we made bad calls during fights (we had Ezreal, Elise and Nidalee so going in early wasn't a good idea, but Thresh dived in at their last inhib tower as soon as he hooked Jinx, so we couldn't finish the game, and later Elise dc'd during a fight over nashor so the 4v5 sealed the deal), doesn't mean Riven wasn't bad as heck (his decision path in fights was "I'm alone -> burn all dashes in a row to run ; at least an ally in range -> burn all dashes in a row on Olaf", not even making it up), or that Jinx didn't somehow shred my 9200 physical EHP post-LW at that time (around 6100 he did by himself though) in less than 10s and without his ult.


Yes I know, but you will hit 3 after 2 buffs and wraith... and you will be ganking slightly faster. I find it questionable too, but hey what do I know....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 13 2014 19:53 GMT
#673
Technically, you'll level-up roughly at the same time since you'll be doing 3 camps anyway (you'll even be a bit slower as you'll have to walk back to the camp that was on your way to kill it), and your second buff will be ticking meanwhile. If you start blue, it easily means 20-30s less on your red's duration, so if you want to gank I'd argue that taking the red the latest possible relative to when you start ganking (fe. here when you hit level 3) is the best decision.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 19:57:29
February 13 2014 19:55 GMT
#674
I'm curious if anyone have any 1-month-later verdicts on the comeback potential introduced, how does it feel now when you've adjusted?
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 19:57 GMT
#675
If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 20:01:00
February 13 2014 19:58 GMT
#676
On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:
If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0.

0. Figure that one out.

Seriously though, find me a way to get the KT icon and then hit 0.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
February 13 2014 20:00 GMT
#677
I enjoy not being behind 7 levels top laners when I'm playing support
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 20:05 GMT
#678
On February 14 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:
If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0.

0. Figure that one out.

Seriously though, find me a way to get the KT icon and then hit 0.



How much is that icon?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 13 2014 20:07 GMT
#679
On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:
If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0.

106
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 13 2014 20:14 GMT
#680
On February 14 2014 04:35 Sufficiency wrote:
I remember seeing Ninjaken (that's his name right?) Going blue then directly to red. You can pull it off if you smite the first buff monster as soon as it spawns. Very risky, of course, but it's soloQ.

It's not risky if you have ward at their buff with early invade, and if you trinket entrance to your buff. But I don't see too big of a difference between doing 2 buffs then small camp, and doing small camps in between.
liftlift > tsm
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