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So... nerfed or not, Riven is still stupidly faceroll and absurd as shit lategame. And when you don't have a gapcloser Jinx isn't "escapeless" or "unsafe" at all, to the contrary.
At least next time I won't expect to live more than 7s against the enemy team who only has one LW when I have 230 armour and 3800 HP. ._. I still have trouble wrapping my head around how much damage they did to me through that (they had an Amumu support but his W "only" did 400 damage over the 7s).
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try playing riven lategame and see how faceroll you find it
maybe its a good idea not to duel fed duelists when you're a tank with no damage
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On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote: NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet. I got one loss prevented
Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes?
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On February 14 2014 04:14 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote: NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet. I got one loss prevented Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes?
Ever since 4.2
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No lag spikes, nor login queue on EUW, despite Riot saying there may be (and I logged in at peak hour too).
On February 14 2014 04:07 Slayer91 wrote: try playing riven lategame and see how faceroll you find it
maybe its a good idea not to duel fed duelists when you're a tank with no damage Actually he wasn't fed at all, and from laning against him the guy was really bad. He tried doing cute stuff but failed, and his mechanics were worse than mine (he couldn't farm under tower and failed nearly all his shields against my E). I mean, if they were ahead and the guy trashed me from the beginning with superior play do you think I'd have attributed how fast I die as he facerolls to the champion?
Xerath seems pretty obnoxious if you lack burst too, since he can routinely use his stun and a 80% (decaying over 2.5s) slow. That had probably more to do with me playing Olaf tho, obviously with an assassin or somebody like Jax (who gets triforce so more MS, and a gapcloser) it would have been different. His ult is really... weird, though. I didn't understand what was coming the first time he used it on me, partly because we had Elise on the team so I didn't really register the circle. But even then, the "zone" appears on the ground very fast and he can immediatly shoot so you don't have much time to react (less than against Ziggs or Pantheon I believe) and the particle is so, so underwhelming. Why would they make him throw drops at people for his "ultimate" ability?
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On February 14 2014 04:19 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 04:14 ticklishmusic wrote:On February 13 2014 22:00 The_Unseen wrote:On February 13 2014 20:22 SwizzY wrote: NA server is horseshit right now. And no loss prevention. Sweet. I got one loss prevented Is everyone else getting insane lag spikes? Ever since 4.2 When I was playing last night, I wasn't having issues. Other people in the game were though.
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Oh man, I don't know why you guys were all bitching about doing bad in placements and getting placed low.
I did bad in placements and got placed low and these games are so easy. It's amazing.
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I remember seeing Ninjaken (that's his name right?) Going blue then directly to red. You can pull it off if you smite the first buff monster as soon as it spawns. Very risky, of course, but it's soloQ.
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it doesn't matter if he's "fed" or not, you clearly don't know the limits of your and his champion and also building full tank is an extremely inefficient way to duel anyone with any kind of tankiness (rivens shield)
you complain about people being bad but when you make terrible plays you just blame the oppoents chmapion being bullshit, you'd complain the same if you played riven vs olaf and lost about how bullshit olafs laning is
riven is really fucking squishy for a melee and trades it for insane damage scaling so of course you lose 1v1
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You won't hit level 3 off of it so I'm not sure if it's that superior.
^ I'm not talking about killing people, I built full tank because I had to, Riven was bad as heck but Jinx was getting a bunch of kills so I wanted to be able to do my job. When I noticed that I couldn't even zone her because she'd drop half my HP by herself if she hit zap into auto-chompers while my ult was down, and that with 200+ armour when she had IE/PD/LW and her steroid, I wasn't going to build more damage.
We lost in the end because we made bad calls during fights (we had Ezreal, Elise and Nidalee so going in early wasn't a good idea, but Thresh dived in at their last inhib tower as soon as he hooked Jinx, so we couldn't finish the game, and later Elise dc'd during a fight over nashor so the 4v5 sealed the deal), doesn't mean Riven wasn't bad as heck (his decision path in fights was "I'm alone -> burn all dashes in a row to run ; at least an ally in range -> burn all dashes in a row on Olaf", not even making it up), or that Jinx didn't somehow shred my 9200 physical EHP post-LW at that time (around 6100 he did by himself though) in less than 10s and without his ult.
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On February 14 2014 04:36 Slayer91 wrote: it doesn't matter if he's "fed" or not, you clearly don't know the limits of your and his champion and also building full tank is an extremely inefficient way to duel anyone with any kind of tankiness (rivens shield)
you complain about people being bad but when you make terrible plays you just blame the oppoents chmapion being bullshit, you'd complain the same if you played riven vs olaf and lost about how bullshit olafs laning is
riven is really fucking squishy for a melee and trades it for insane damage scaling so of course you lose 1v1 Full tank can work for duels if you build thornmail
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On February 14 2014 04:36 Alaric wrote: You won't hit level 3 off of it so I'm not sure if it's that superior.
^ I'm not talking about killing people, I built full tank because I had to, Riven was bad as heck but Jinx was getting a bunch of kills so I wanted to be able to do my job. When I noticed that I couldn't even zone her because she'd drop half my HP by herself if she hit zap into auto-chompers while my ult was down, and that with 200+ armour when she had IE/PD/LW and her steroid, I wasn't going to build more damage.
We lost in the end because we made bad calls during fights (we had Ezreal, Elise and Nidalee so going in early wasn't a good idea, but Thresh dived in at their last inhib tower as soon as he hooked Jinx, so we couldn't finish the game, and later Elise dc'd during a fight over nashor so the 4v5 sealed the deal), doesn't mean Riven wasn't bad as heck (his decision path in fights was "I'm alone -> burn all dashes in a row to run ; at least an ally in range -> burn all dashes in a row on Olaf", not even making it up), or that Jinx didn't somehow shred my 9200 physical EHP post-LW at that time (around 6100 he did by himself though) in less than 10s and without his ult.
Yes I know, but you will hit 3 after 2 buffs and wraith... and you will be ganking slightly faster. I find it questionable too, but hey what do I know....
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Technically, you'll level-up roughly at the same time since you'll be doing 3 camps anyway (you'll even be a bit slower as you'll have to walk back to the camp that was on your way to kill it), and your second buff will be ticking meanwhile. If you start blue, it easily means 20-30s less on your red's duration, so if you want to gank I'd argue that taking the red the latest possible relative to when you start ganking (fe. here when you hit level 3) is the best decision.
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I'm curious if anyone have any 1-month-later verdicts on the comeback potential introduced, how does it feel now when you've adjusted?
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If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0.
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On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote: If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0. 0. Figure that one out.
Seriously though, find me a way to get the KT icon and then hit 0.
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I enjoy not being behind 7 levels top laners when I'm playing support
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On February 14 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote: If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0. 0. Figure that one out. Seriously though, find me a way to get the KT icon and then hit 0.
How much is that icon?
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On February 14 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote: If you are interested, tellme your remaining RP and I will (attempt) to tell you how to get it to 0. 106
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On February 14 2014 04:35 Sufficiency wrote: I remember seeing Ninjaken (that's his name right?) Going blue then directly to red. You can pull it off if you smite the first buff monster as soon as it spawns. Very risky, of course, but it's soloQ. It's not risky if you have ward at their buff with early invade, and if you trinket entrance to your buff. But I don't see too big of a difference between doing 2 buffs then small camp, and doing small camps in between.
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