EPTAs is, we don't know if it's 50/75/100/125/150 + 0.8 bonus AD scaling up to twice, or 50/75/100/125/150 scaling up to twice + 0.8 bonus AD, which is a huge difference. She'd need 200 bonus AD to make up for the damage nerf at max level so it'd be a very slight buff at level 1 and 2 (where she won't fight anyway) and a nerf afterwards.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
As is, we don't know if it's 50/75/100/125/150 + 0.8 bonus AD scaling up to twice, or 50/75/100/125/150 scaling up to twice + 0.8 bonus AD, which is a huge difference. She'd need 200 bonus AD to make up for the damage nerf at max level so it'd be a very slight buff at level 1 and 2 (where she won't fight anyway) and a nerf afterwards. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:45 Alaric wrote: Their formatting regarding Vi is pretty bad: her Q's damage is 50/80/110/140/170 + 0.7 bonus AD, scaling up to twice the amount depending on charge time. As is, we don't know if it's 50/75/100/125/150 + 0.8 bonus AD scaling up to twice, or 50/75/100/125/150 scaling up to twice + 0.8 bonus AD, which is a huge difference. She'd need 200 bonus AD to make up for the damage nerf at max level so it'd be a very slight buff at level 1 and 2 (where she won't fight anyway) and a nerf afterwards. From ff@20's: Vault Breaker ( Q ) damage changed to 50/75/100/125/150 ( +.8 bonus AD ) - 100/150/200/250/300 (+1.6 bonus AD ) FROM 50/80/110/140/170 ( +.7 bonus AD ) - 100/160/220/280/340 ( +1.4 bonus AD ) | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:49 MooMooMugi wrote: Skarner nerfs sound so random, I havent seen one in months It has to do with the rework, which is on the PBE. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: Irelia nerfs? Lol Irelia Ionian Fervor [ Passive ] - Tooltip now says 'Reduces the duration of all disables for each nearby enemy champion.' (Changed from 'Reduces the duration of stuns,slows,taunts,fears,snares,and roots for each nearby enemy champion.' Transcendent Blades [ R ] - Now heals for 10% of the damage dealt to monsters as well (previously was minions only) Read much? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:05 Gahlo wrote: Irelia Ionian Fervor [ Passive ] - Tooltip now says 'Reduces the duration of all disables for each nearby enemy champion.' (Changed from 'Reduces the duration of stuns,slows,taunts,fears,snares,and roots for each nearby enemy champion.' Transcendent Blades [ R ] - Now heals for 10% of the damage dealt to monsters as well (previously was minions only) Read much? Still super salty about the Korean thing I see. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:05 Gahlo wrote: Irelia Ionian Fervor [ Passive ] - Tooltip now says 'Reduces the duration of all disables for each nearby enemy champion.' (Changed from 'Reduces the duration of stuns,slows,taunts,fears,snares,and roots for each nearby enemy champion.' Transcendent Blades [ R ] - Now heals for 10% of the damage dealt to monsters as well (previously was minions only) Read much? 1) That is just a tooltip change. They're basically referring to the tenacity she gets (which is her passive). She doesn't get any special resistance to knockups, nor do I expect them to try and code that in for her. 2) Are they trying to say that it's a bugfix? Because I'm pretty certain she healed off monsters anyways from her R (not that you ever used it on jungle monsters unless you were going for some super sketchy jungle Irelia), and is either just a tooltip change, or an ultimately meaningless change (since if you ever R, it's in a teamfight or on lane minions because way more heal anyways). Doesn't address anything that she actually needs. My initial assumption was it was a nerf from the 25% on champion value down to the minion value (10%). | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
I seriously want to uninstall and quit. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
Agreed, even though the "DIAMOND 1 - X CHAMPION" videos are even worse. Also, Korean SoloQ is better then NA LCS | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:30 Ryuu314 wrote: Well the difference is that ferocity decays out of combat so it'd be much harder to chain crazy combos out of nowhere. In other words, the theorycrafted scenarios you guys are coming up with that has everything off cd and Rengar at full or near full ferocity may not be possible depending on the cds of his skills. Assuming that the reworked Rengar will have the same cooldowns as live Rengar, it's honestly going to be really hard to have all your skills off cd along with full ferocity. There's also the caveat that using Rengar's ult doesn't generate ferocity nor does it grant a movespeed bonus until after the stealth wears off or is broken. Meaning that Rengar can't really do the ult->walk to squishy->instagib with combo. Now, you're going to have to build ferocity, which will take a reasonable amount of time of you sitting near minions/monsters just spamming spells. Then when you have your desired ferocity level, you have 10 seconds to get your combo off. I missed that... Anyway there is no place in high level game where you have no escape, where your root need time to build up (as a jungler) and no sustain. UNLESS he is released with OP numbers. They should definitely make his E snare on base and buff lantern to make him "viable". Also why is lantern made such a shitty item stats wise? What is the point of having the item in the game at all? | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 23 2014 06:38 Fusilero wrote: Remember when the knock away dealt % health damage, his hammer form gave him defensive stats and tri was core on jayce. That was hilarious it still does %hp damage, i think the problem was the base damage (like mundo cleaver, %current hp with a minimum of x) | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On January 23 2014 10:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: it still does %hp damage, i think the problem was the base damage (like mundo cleaver, %current hp with a minimum of x) It didnt have a minimum, it had a base damage + % scaling | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Oh, and if his ult was leveled as soon as possible it also made him the tankiest champion in the game in melee mode save for those with resistances steroids like Shyvana (or Olaf if he'd been like the current iteration), maybe Taric and Jarvan had more armour at the time with their auras. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 23 2014 10:26 arb wrote: It didnt have a minimum, it had a base damage + % scaling yeah, that's what i meant, a base damage + scaling, which made it too strong at early levels? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:50 Lord Tolkien wrote: 1) That is just a tooltip change. They're basically referring to the tenacity she gets (which is her passive). She doesn't get any special resistance to knockups, nor do I expect them to try and code that in for her. 2) Are they trying to say that it's a bugfix? Because I'm pretty certain she healed off monsters anyways from her R (not that you ever used it on jungle monsters unless you were going for some super sketchy jungle Irelia), and is either just a tooltip change, or an ultimately meaningless change (since if you ever R, it's in a teamfight or on lane minions because way more heal anyways). Doesn't address anything that she actually needs. My initial assumption was it was a nerf from the 25% on champion value down to the minion value (10%). So if 1 is a tooltip change and you think 2 is as well...where does the "nerf" part come in? On January 23 2014 10:19 Eppa! wrote: Also why is lantern made such a shitty item stats wise? What is the point of having the item in the game at all? Because it's getting an upgrade. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 23 2014 12:18 Sufficiency wrote: Really? People actually complain about Jayce? They're talking about release Jayce with the bonkers hammer E numbers. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 23 2014 12:19 Ryuu314 wrote: They're talking about release Jayce with the bonkers hammer E numbers. Those were glorious times... | ||
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