EPTwell in solo q you can do w\e so i guess the point is moot
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
well in solo q you can do w\e so i guess the point is moot | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:15 YouGotNothin wrote: So I have really been liking Lulu recently and typically build ancient coin on her. However I saw someone getting Frostfang on her on Saint's stream and although I think the general consensus is that this item sucks, I wanted to math out the relative gold gains from the two: Nomads medallion: 2 Gold/10 seconds + 4 Gold per nearby minion kill with 19 minions spawning every 90 seconds this can give you at most 2 + ((4 x 19)/9) = 10.44 GP10 Frostfang: 4 Gold/10 seconds + 8 Gold per hit on champions every 10 seconds Assuming you hit champs every 10 seconds, this can give you at most 4 + 8 = 12 GP10 Assuming again that you are present for all minion kills in lane with the medallion, you would have to be hitting champs every 12.4 seconds with Frostfang to get similar gold income. On a poke-heavy champion like Lulu this may be possible. Also to note is that if the Frostfang user ran the bandit mastery while the medallion user did not, the frostfang user would have to hit enemy champs even less often. I know the active on Frostfang upgrade sucks compared to medallion's but just some food for thought especially since some supports can really benefit from the extra AP of Frostfang. Problem with Frostfang: Lvl 1: 4 Gold Per AA/Spell, only can get every 10 seconds, passive not usable if you get a CS. Lvl 2: Same with 8 Gold Per In other words, the Passive is really difficult to abuse, because in real life you dont get a chance to do an AA every 10 secs or poke every 10 secs. You get to do several at once, for example Lulu would do Pix>Q>AA>AA in lots of exchanges (maybe even whimsy) all for 1 meager proc, then you kind of wait for a while. It gets really bad lategame. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: doesnt matter what stats it gives you you cant play without the talisman active well in solo q you can do w\e so i guess the point is moot What if you have Sivir? Pros will sometimes get Targons in this situation I think. On January 22 2014 03:33 cLutZ wrote: Problem with Frostfang: Lvl 1: 4 Gold Per AA/Spell, only can get every 10 seconds, passive not usable if you get a CS. Lvl 2: Same with 8 Gold Per In other words, the Passive is really difficult to abuse, because in real life you dont get a chance to do an AA every 10 secs or poke every 10 secs. You get to do several at once, for example Lulu would do Pix>Q>AA>AA in lots of exchanges (maybe even whimsy) all for 1 meager proc, then you kind of wait for a while. It gets really bad lategame. This is true but as ArchAngelSC pointed out, you can technically get it twice every 10 seconds because there are separate cool downs for each champion, making it a bit more reasonable to achieve. | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
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Kyrie
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Still doesn't do anything when you Headbutt the hyper fed Kennen away to save your teammates and they take it as a cue to attack and 3 pile on him to suicide as it's right what he wanted. But some CDR's so good now that it's really hard to get more than one source (including for a bunch of other champions, unless I go FH on Olaf and thus start shroud it's pretty hard to get CDR since the SV nerf). | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:35 YouGotNothin wrote: What if you have Sivir? Pros will sometimes get Targons in this situation I think. targons is strong on a lot of people/lane setups ya but you see pros switch it out for talisman often too sivir renders it not a must have but the active is really just so good for forcing fights or disengaging or picks or a whole host of other scenarios, it's just so versatile and nice to have, kinda like shurelias used to be, just opens up more opportunities for the whole team for a very reasonable cost + solid cdr | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: doesnt matter what stats it gives you you cant play without the talisman active well in solo q you can do w\e so i guess the point is moot The active itself isn't that bad, and on Lulu it's perfect. She already has the glitterlance for a multiple hitting slow, so you can use the active to either secure kills or peel for APC/ADC. The only main concern is that when you go deep AP, you want additional AP and the only viable option(s) (imo) is Twin Shadows and/or Nashor's Tooth which is pretty meh, considering tanky supports get stuff like randuins/frozen heart. edit: if it's somehow possible to maintain an AP-oriented build, it could be the new op. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
IS THERE NO JUSTICE this is worse than when commodus stabbed maximus before the last fight (spoiler alert lel) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:15 Slayer91 wrote: i was 8/2 and we had baron and inhib in garen v teemo and servers go down IS THERE NO JUSTICE this is worse than when commodus stabbed maximus before the last fight (spoiler alert lel) Wtf.There are people in game right now how can the server have crashed 0.o | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:40 Sajaki wrote: What are your thoughts on getting HG on syndra? On one hand, you get an extra early game power spike, and some welcomed HP on a super squishy champion. On the other hand it delays your Deathcap/Voidstaff by 1500 gold... could it be situationally good or just superseded by your post-grail core items? Bjergerking mentions it in his Syndra guide if the opposing team has 2+ tanks. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Kayle changes (damage off Q, heal speed scales + improved heal scaling and no cost on ult), kassadin changes (Fk it I don't even care at this point) and renekton changes (reduced Q + E damage, reduced sustain and slow replace armour shred on enraged E) | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
On January 21 2014 18:12 snowbird wrote: Am I imagining things or have the player distributions for tiers shifted a lot. Reference: http://www.lolsummoners.com/ladder/euw Percentage of Challenger Players 0.00216% Percentage of Diamond Players 0.56827% Percentage of Platinum Players 11.3084% Percentage of Gold Players 23.59832% Percentage of Silver Players 47.50583% Percentage of Bronze Players 17.01701% 11% Plat? Wasn't it way lower last season? Like 6%? Also with clamping removed until D1, people should be able to climb much more easily Also, only 17% bronze? is this last shadow? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:26 Fusilero wrote: http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27081-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-1-21-2014-kayle Kayle changes (damage off Q, heal speed scales + improved heal scaling and no cost on ult), kassadin changes (Fk it I don't even care at this point) and renekton changes (reduced Q + E damage, reduced sustain and slow replace armour shred on enraged E) Wow, they nerfed the shit out of her Q. Also, that random ulti buff. I think at this point, we should just expect Riot to make all champions manaless. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: targons is strong on a lot of people/lane setups ya but you see pros switch it out for talisman often too sivir renders it not a must have but the active is really just so good for forcing fights or disengaging or picks or a whole host of other scenarios, it's just so versatile and nice to have, kinda like shurelias used to be, just opens up more opportunities for the whole team for a very reasonable cost + solid cdr I whole-heartedly agree, I kinda wish they would buff the active on Frostfang, its pretty lackluster. 50 magic damage? really? It needs some AP scaling or something. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:35 wei2coolman wrote: Wow, they nerfed the shit out of her Q. Also, that random ulti buff. I think at this point, we should just expect Riot to make all champions manaless. Manaless with exact same powercurves. | ||
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