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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 22 2014 02:17 Sufficiency wrote: See that is exactly the problem. You think communication >>>> everything else. In bronze 5 maybe that is true. But I feel most plat+ ADC players have very good expectation of what his soloQ support is trying to do and will quickly react to the situation. That's true when the support is also plat+. Some supports...are extremely erratic and try to make questionable plays. Or none at all (those are the worst supports). | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
are ziggs / amumu / kayle as dominant as the stats show? what are you guys' experiences? | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On January 22 2014 02:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: That's true when the support is also plat+. Some supports...are extremely erratic and try to make questionable plays. Or none at all (those are the worst supports). YOU GOTTA HAVE PRESENCE IN THE LANE | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 21 2014 23:09 Dusty wrote: I agree with Scip, why does everything need to be able to scale into late-game well? This is why we cant have manaless champions in the game: Because Riot wont let them suck lategame. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
kayle is really gay cuz she's a strong laner wth a shitton of dmg and later on can completely nullify someone getting caught out of position and turn the fight as the other team inevitably piles on cc and dmg onto the ulted target | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 22 2014 02:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i think kayle is super strong in competitive and in solo q play, for similar reasons kayle is really gay cuz she's a strong laner wth a shitton of dmg and later on can completely nullify someone getting caught out of position and turn the fight as the other team inevitably piles on cc and dmg onto the ulted target don't associate me with kayle pls she cockblocks my Kha6 too much I do admit I played her alot when she was in super-hipster status tho | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 22 2014 02:42 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i took a look at some lolking stats for various regions and divisions are ziggs / amumu / kayle as dominant as the stats show? what are you guys' experiences? Dunno about amumu as I don't see him much but ziggs/kayle are beasts. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
We were all wrong gaiz, bronze had it figured out for YEARS | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: Nightblue3 says that Amumu is a top tier jangler. We were all wrong gaiz, bronze had it figured out for YEARS Amumu has always been top tier in solo queue though. Even when he ate fat nerfs he would still be relevant in the game. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: Nightblue3 says that Amumu is a top tier jangler. We were all wrong gaiz, bronze had it figured out for YEARS nightblue is also a shitter #freexj9 | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
Nomads medallion: 2 Gold/10 seconds + 4 Gold per nearby minion kill with 19 minions spawning every 90 seconds this can give you at most 2 + ((4 x 19)/9) = 10.44 GP10 Frostfang: 4 Gold/10 seconds + 8 Gold per hit on champions every 10 seconds Assuming you hit champs every 10 seconds, this can give you at most 4 + 8 = 12 GP10 Assuming again that you are present for all minion kills in lane with the medallion, you would have to be hitting champs every 12.4 seconds with Frostfang to get similar gold income. On a poke-heavy champion like Lulu this may be possible. Also to note is that if the Frostfang user ran the bandit mastery while the medallion user did not, the frostfang user would have to hit enemy champs even less often. I know the active on Frostfang upgrade sucks compared to medallion's but just some food for thought especially since some supports can really benefit from the extra AP of Frostfang. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:15 YouGotNothin wrote: So I have really been liking Lulu recently and typically build ancient coin on her. However I saw someone getting Frostfang on her on Saint's stream and although I think the general consensus is that this item sucks, I wanted to math out the relative gold gains from the two: Nomads medallion: 2 Gold/10 seconds + 4 Gold per nearby minion kill with 19 minions spawning every 90 seconds this can give you at most 2 + ((4 x 19)/9) = 10.44 GP10 Frostfang: 4 Gold/10 seconds + 8 Gold per hit on champions every 10 seconds Assuming you hit champs every 10 seconds, this can give you at most 4 + 8 = 12 GP10 Assuming again that you are present for all minion kills in lane with the medallion, you would have to be hitting champs every 12.4 seconds with Frostfang to get similar gold income. On a poke-heavy champion like Lulu this may be possible. Also to note is that if the Frostfang user ran the bandit mastery while the medallion user did not, the frostfang user would have to hit enemy champs even less often. I know the active on Frostfang upgrade sucks compared to medallion's but just some food for thought especially since some supports can really benefit from the extra AP of Frostfang. Apart from... for frostfang it's actually.. x = number of champs on bot lane 4 + 8*x = y. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
ziggs has 55.24% win rate, amumu 54.92%. 3rd place is wukong at 53.94% but his pick rate is half of ziggs/amumu so the results might be a little off (he's strong though). kayle is at 53.22% moving up to gold only, ziggs has 55.46%, amumu 55.41%, kayle 53.82% platinum, ziggs 55.25%, amumu 54.62%, kayle 54.23% diamond, ziggs 54.55%, amumu literally disappears from the highest winrate list (plat->diamond is when people start being able to dodge skillshots, not stack up for amumu grouphugs), kayle is at 53.96%. interesting observation here is that fiddle is at 53.99% (second highest). teemo also makes an appearence at 53.72% challenger stats are pretty pointless since there's too little, but a notable one is nami who's picked in 8.05% of games and wins 63.37% of the time | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:15 YouGotNothin wrote: So I have really been liking Lulu recently and typically build ancient coin on her. However I saw someone getting Frostfang on her on Saint's stream and although I think the general consensus is that this item sucks, I wanted to math out the relative gold gains from the two: Nomads medallion: 2 Gold/10 seconds + 4 Gold per nearby minion kill with 19 minions spawning every 90 seconds this can give you at most 2 + ((4 x 19)/9) = 10.44 GP10 Frostfang: 4 Gold/10 seconds + 8 Gold per hit on champions every 10 seconds Assuming you hit champs every 10 seconds, this can give you at most 4 + 8 = 12 GP10 Assuming again that you are present for all minion kills in lane with the medallion, you would have to be hitting champs every 12.4 seconds with Frostfang to get similar gold income. On a poke-heavy champion like Lulu this may be possible. Also to note is that if the Frostfang user ran the bandit mastery while the medallion user did not, the frostfang user would have to hit enemy champs even less often. I know the active on Frostfang upgrade sucks compared to medallion's but just some food for thought especially since some supports can really benefit from the extra AP of Frostfang. Lulu with Frostfang+26 AP/12 armor/8.5 mpen runes and 21/9/0 beats the living shit out of Thresh/Leona | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 21 2014 20:52 JonGalt wrote: how are you skilling and building Kat? what matchups? I generally QEWQ and then max R>Q>W>E, although sometimes I put a few more points in E before W max if I need the cd/dmg. Usually dfg -> zhonya build. I play Tiensi style, spamming Q on the other guy on cooldown in lane and try to beat them to 6. Won vs a Leblanc, Gragas, and Anivia, won lane but lost game vs a Ziggs. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:20 ArchAngelSC wrote: Apart from... for frostfang it's actually.. x = number of champs on bot lane 4 + 8*x = y. Ah you are right, hmm that makes the math a little weirder, or at least makes you have to make more assumptions to get an estimate, but that means Frostfang could potentially get 20 GP10, wowzah. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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