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On January 21 2014 16:45 739 wrote:
I should write a long article concerning "premade bot" in picking phase in all chat. 3rd game in a row I've seen "hey, we're premade bot" so I'm like "np, game is lost" and they say "no man, we're 4-5 wins in a row, bot is won" and proceed to goddamn feed hardcore, blame everything on jungle/not roaming mid, bla bla bla.
Oh well, our adc was bronze and support silver IV. Not to mention I was Gold IV.
LOL cant tell you how many times i've experienced this
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On January 22 2014 00:27 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 22 2014 00:11 Scip wrote:
The Forbidden Kingdom best movie of 2008 That's toxic. Dude, there's a fight between Chackie Chen and Jet Li in it Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:26 Sponkz wrote:On January 21 2014 23:09 Dusty wrote:
I agree with Scip, why does everything need to be able to scale into late-game well? When did RIOT ever do something that made sense? This can't come as a surprise by now >_> this patch
the luck, the patch, the hate, the love
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Can we stop judging people by their rank? If the support and ADC duo were bronze and sliver, then it probably has something to do with the reset that happened like 5 days ago. It's silly to call people out for it.
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I think people who hate on duo bots are really just jealous that they don't have anybody to brave the world of ranked with.
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I'm in Master Yi's Missionaries or something, I think that means I'm a jedi now
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On January 22 2014 00:28 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 16:45 739 wrote:
I should write a long article concerning "premade bot" in picking phase in all chat. 3rd game in a row I've seen "hey, we're premade bot" so I'm like "np, game is lost" and they say "no man, we're 4-5 wins in a row, bot is won" and proceed to goddamn feed hardcore, blame everything on jungle/not roaming mid, bla bla bla.
Oh well, our adc was bronze and support silver IV. Not to mention I was Gold IV. LOL cant tell you how many times i've experienced this
my theory is that you will actually gain LP long term by dodging every single time you have a duo queue on your team.
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On January 22 2014 00:57 Nos- wrote:
I'm in Master Yi's Missionaries or something, I think that means I'm a jedi now
Chosen Master Yi is required.
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On January 22 2014 00:27 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 22 2014 00:11 Scip wrote:
The Forbidden Kingdom best movie of 2008 That's toxic. Dude, there's a fight between Chackie Chen and Jet Li in it
It was toxic.
On January 22 2014 00:53 YouGotNothin wrote:
I think people who hate on duo bots are really just jealous that they don't have anybody to brave the world of ranked with.
yea pretty much
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On January 22 2014 00:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Can we stop judging people by their rank? If the support and ADC duo were bronze and sliver, then it probably has something to do with the reset that happened like 5 days ago. It's silly to call people out for it.
i think his point was more about the MMR inflation (and the lane mismatches that follow) that comes with duo queuing.
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On January 22 2014 01:01 chalice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Can we stop judging people by their rank? If the support and ADC duo were bronze and sliver, then it probably has something to do with the reset that happened like 5 days ago. It's silly to call people out for it. i think his point was more about the MMR inflation (and the lane mismatches that follow) that comes with duo queuing.
I know, I was saying more of a general thing because it's been bugging me a lot recently.
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Pretty sure the hate against duos is mostly a selection bias. Duo queuers that aren't idiots know that everybody hates duos, so you don't mention it in select. People that announce "we are duo queue" aren't very smart, it's like complaining about your teammate in all chat.
tl;dr you probably get carried by duos all the time, they just don't announce it because they're smart
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It's true though, duo botline is fucking cancer. Guys named "hi i adc" and "hi i support" on my team, pick Jinx/Annie into Trist/Leona. I thought about saying "care at level 2" but figured, nah they MUST know how common Trist/Leona all in at 2.
Trist gets FB at level 2. Then their level 4 jungle ww gets double kill.
I mean theoretically duo bot is great. The problem is when they duo, get the inflated MMR, and it's clear they haven't played with each other much at all. I have bad experience in general with duo queues on my team, but bot seems so much more hit or miss since it's much more obvious when they feed or get fed.
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On January 22 2014 01:23 Alzadar wrote:
Pretty sure the hate against duos is mostly a selection bias. Duo queuers that aren't idiots know that everybody hates duos, so you don't mention it in select. People that announce "we are duo queue" aren't very smart, it's like complaining about your teammate in all chat.
tl;dr you probably get carried by duos all the time, they just don't announce it because they're smart
Youre right, almost 100% of the people who announce they arer duos are awful. Yet the silent ones are pretty good who dont have to always "duo bot"
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I wish they'd change the way duo queue MMR inflation works. Right now there are only two situations: either your MMR is very close and you'll both be bottom two picks every game, or there is a sizeable gap and one of you is first pick and the other is last pick.
It would be really nice for there to be some middle ground.
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On January 22 2014 00:27 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 22 2014 00:11 Scip wrote:
The Forbidden Kingdom best movie of 2008 That's toxic. Dude, there's a fight between Chackie Chen and Jet Li in it Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:26 Sponkz wrote:On January 21 2014 23:09 Dusty wrote:
I agree with Scip, why does everything need to be able to scale into late-game well? When did RIOT ever do something that made sense? This can't come as a surprise by now >_> this patch
and nearly every other patch
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The thing about duo bot lane is the unusually high expection others hold for them. That is all. Once that expection was not fulfilled people will get very critical of them.
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On January 22 2014 01:52 Sufficiency wrote:
The thing about duo bot lane is the unusually high expection others hold for them. That is all. Once that expection was not fulfilled people will get very critical of them.
Well if youre duo bot your expected to have better communication and do much better bot lane than the opposition who dont know each other
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Not necessarily playing against higher mmr opponents can balance that out easily if not tip the scale in favour of two randoms. Especially when it's gold/silver/bronze range, the skill difference between random gold botlane vs a bronze/silver duo would be pretty big even though the duo has the "communication" advantage.
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On January 22 2014 01:54 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 01:52 Sufficiency wrote:
The thing about duo bot lane is the unusually high expection others hold for them. That is all. Once that expection was not fulfilled people will get very critical of them. Well if youre duo bot your expected to have better communication and do much better bot lane than the opposition who dont know each other
That doesn't always hold true, some people just Duo because they dont like playing alone, so they just go bot even if one or both of them dont AD/Support, so even if they have communication, they might not play together enough to actually know how each other plays.
Personal example is the guy who used to support me, he was passive, like I'm not going to be near creeps unless I'm going for a hook/stun passive. I lost lane countless times because he only played Taric and only moved up when he was going to stun people, so I couldn't do anything to follow up, even if I had a CS/kill/XP lead. I usually just expect the same from my duo lane and try to go top if they do that if I'm feeling generous, if not, I just take ADC and try to win the game playing my best role.
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On January 22 2014 01:54 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 01:52 Sufficiency wrote:
The thing about duo bot lane is the unusually high expection others hold for them. That is all. Once that expection was not fulfilled people will get very critical of them. Well if youre duo bot your expected to have better communication and do much better bot lane than the opposition who dont know each other
See that is exactly the problem. You think communication >>>> everything else.
In bronze 5 maybe that is true. But I feel most plat+ ADC players have very good expectation of what his soloQ support is trying to do and will quickly react to the situation.
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