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dying multiple times doesn't happen when you don't die multiple times.
dying a lot or doing badly in general decrease the amount of shit you can do in a game and a lot more sitting around because you can't go too many places if the enemy has map control.
i don't see how you can't understand that watching someone doing well is more fun than watching someone doing badly. You think people watch streams to get better? Some people do but its not a good way to get better, people watch games because its like playing a game but you don't have to do anything.
It's like watching a good movie vs watching a shitty movie.
or maybe a well edited movie vs a shitty edited movie since game quality doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how entertaining it is to watch because if all the amazing shit happening is elsewhere then it might be a great game but boring to watch.
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I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)?
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On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)?
I mean you could go 5-5, but its still 5 deaths you have to tab out of for like 1 minute and overall having less impact on the game
precieved skill level of other players is pretty important, but as long as they are better than your own level then you have the sense of awe I guess that this guy is dominating players that you struggle against.
I mean you shouldn't have any say in this because as a pretty good player watching someone stomp in plat or whatevr is something you can yourself so no wonder you don't want to watch it but for the majority of players its not the case.
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On February 10 2014 09:16 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)? I mean you could go 5-5, but its still 5 deaths you have to tab out of for like 1 minute and overall having less impact on the game precieved skill level of other players is pretty important, but as long as they are better than your own level then you have the sense of awe I guess that this guy is dominating players that you struggle against. I mean you shouldn't have any say in this because as a pretty good player watching someone stomp in plat or whatevr is something you can yourself so no wonder you don't want to watch it but for the majority of players its not the case.
Yeah, i can stomp plat players, so what? When i watch a stream it's for the entertainment, and hopefully watching someone trying his hardest to grind further up the ladder, rather than watching a person stomping lower-rated people, because he's too scared he might tilt on stream.
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On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)?
When a streamer is 0-5, some people find it boring/painful to keep watching, and leave.
Bad games means you lose viewers.
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On February 10 2014 09:24 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)? When a streamer is 0-5, some people find it boring/painful to keep watching, and leave. Bad games means you lose viewers.
That was sort of my point with the black and white portrait that Slayer unintentionally gave me. You don't have to have bad games that results in a 0-5 defeat.
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On February 10 2014 09:24 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:16 Slayer91 wrote:On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)? I mean you could go 5-5, but its still 5 deaths you have to tab out of for like 1 minute and overall having less impact on the game precieved skill level of other players is pretty important, but as long as they are better than your own level then you have the sense of awe I guess that this guy is dominating players that you struggle against. I mean you shouldn't have any say in this because as a pretty good player watching someone stomp in plat or whatevr is something you can yourself so no wonder you don't want to watch it but for the majority of players its not the case. Yeah, i can stomp plat players, so what? When i watch a stream it's for the entertainment, and hopefully watching someone trying his hardest to grind further up the ladder, rather than watching a person stomping lower-rated people, because he's too scared he might tilt on stream.
what does someone trying his hardest to grind up the ladder got to do with the entertainment value of the games? It's just you perception of the games as being a struggle between equal players make it seem more interesting. If someone is playing at their top elo ever and stomping games still it seems impressive. For lower rated players if they are playing at Diamond V instead of diamond I its mostly the same difference to them if they think elo hell is in gold and winning after that is just luck based
On February 10 2014 09:29 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:24 dae wrote:On February 10 2014 09:15 Sponkz wrote:
I'd rather see a streamer trying to do well (and hopefully succeeding obviously) than watching him playing in a decent comfort zone where you know he should be the upper hand.
You're also making it too black/white, either the streamer is doing extremely well or he's the king feeder of the year. Don't you believe that there actually is a middle-ground in all this, where a person can be playing at his actual skill level and still be entertaining without being unstable (0-5 one game, 5-0 the next game)? When a streamer is 0-5, some people find it boring/painful to keep watching, and leave. Bad games means you lose viewers. That was sort of my point with the black and white portrait that Slayer unintentionally gave. You don't have to have bad games that results in a 0-5 defeat.
I never made a black and white picture. Every death is a boring moment in the game and the worse you do continually reduces your opportunity to make plays
You decided to interpret that as a black and white picture but I never said that. If someone is feeding its a horribly boring gmae to watch but if they are doing average its still pretty boring. It's froggen going 21/1 with warmogs and frozen mallet anivia that brings the viewers
if you want an average game where you play reasonably well against equal competition you get that most of the time in your own games
IN any case you're arguing that people are having wrong opinions. People get easy viewers for ladder climb style stuff and im just explainig why people think its more entertaining, you're basically saying LOL NO ITS NOT
and if you personally prefer streamers playing at their top elo level you can pick the streamers who aren't doing a ladder climb thing
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I don't agree that every death is boring. It's an opportunity for streamer to take a berak, focus, talk about his broader strategy and maybe look at some other players and comment on them. I guess it varies between viewers, but I look either for people who can entertain me even when they are having a bad game (Trick2g), or those who I want to learn from rather than be entertained (and then it doesn't matter whether they are playing when ahead or behind, because I'm learning either way). But I guess there are those who can only be entertaining by showcasing their playmaking, which works mostly when opponent gives them an opportunity to be outplayed, which happens more often the lower you are on the rankings.
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On February 10 2014 08:47 Slayer91 wrote:
people like to see players dominating, if you can dominate at your elo like froggen used to//hotshot used to on his tryhard spreees/bjergsen and turtle do now etcetc you will get tons more viewers than people playing on lower elo and dominating but nobody wants to watc someone feed
My favorite back in the day was watching hotshot lose a game then go "Im going tryhard mode" pick nidalee then feed
good times
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I have a lot of respect for Hotshot. He was, at some point, one of the best players in the world at this game.
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Wouldnt really say deaths are unfun.I have watched a lot of trick2g games where he starts 0/7 and it is enjoyable to keep watching.It all depends on the person and how he handles it.
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Maybe because then he spares you from his obnoxious "disrespect" gimmick.
Then again, someone finding that silly wouldn't tune in to begin with...
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So my friend is leveling his smurf and I join him for a bots game, as the game starts his graphics card explodes and he D/C's. His computer is completely nonfunctioning, he actually took the power cord out. Fifteen minutes in when we're killing their inhib towers he "reconnects" and starts moving around the map, farming creeps and attacking the bots. Wut. O.o
Did he get hacked or does the game automatically take over if you d/c during a bots game?
Either way we can't stop laughing.
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yea if you have to watch one player, then it's more enjoyable to see him do well. but you can also watch better players playing perhaps not as dominantly in higher rated games.
i just don't see the point of watching a challenger guy in whatever lower rated environment when you have the choice of watching a wildturtle or even better, op.gg korean challengers.
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I dont see why people watch streams when there is like 20+ hours of competitive games you can watch a week...
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On February 10 2014 11:08 cLutZ wrote:
I dont see why people watch streams when there is like 20+ hours of competitive games you can watch a week...
Because it's not the same thing...?
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On February 10 2014 11:08 cLutZ wrote:
I dont see why people watch streams when there is like 20+ hours of competitive games you can watch a week...
because they're completely different things.
On February 10 2014 11:02 oneofthem wrote:
yea if you have to watch one player, then it's more enjoyable to see him do well. but you can also watch better players playing perhaps not as dominantly in higher rated games.
i just don't see the point of watching a challenger guy in whatever lower rated environment when you have the choice of watching a wildturtle or even better, op.gg korean challengers.
there's these things, called personality, that people want to watch.
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personality = dying to baron on purpose, freak out and pretend like it was an accident, get on reddit...profit!
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Played ranked for the first time in S4 yesterday. A guy named veigarorheimer autolocks veigar, goes 0-4 in lane. Whole team complains. Then he gets DFG and starts one shotting everyone and ends up carrying all of us.
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On February 10 2014 11:10 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 11:08 cLutZ wrote:
I dont see why people watch streams when there is like 20+ hours of competitive games you can watch a week... Because it's not the same thing...?
i keep streams for background noise and funny quotes(aka stuff saint says) then if i want to learn or pay attention just watch pro streams
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